Razor Wire Protection Against Vadals 'Dangerous'
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Eviction threat over razor wire
A family has been threatened with eviction after they put up razor wire to stop vandals breaking into their property.
Judith Partridge, of West Bromwich, said she took the measure following weeks of harassment.
She said intruders had destroyed plants and pots and a bench had been dumped in a pond.
But Sandwell Council, which owns the house, has said the wire is dangerous and has to be taken down.
'Last resort'
It has written to Mrs Partridge and her disabled mother, telling them the wire must come down or they will lose their home.
It followed a complaint from a neighbour.
Mrs Partridge said: "I appreciate it isn't very nice to look at but it's a very, very last desperate resort to try and say 'keep away'.
"Everything else we've tried has failed."
Peter John, of Sandwell Homes, said that, while he was sympathetic, the wire was dangerous and would have to come down.
Eviction threat over razor wire
A family has been threatened with eviction after they put up razor wire to stop vandals breaking into their property.
Judith Partridge, of West Bromwich, said she took the measure following weeks of harassment.
She said intruders had destroyed plants and pots and a bench had been dumped in a pond.
But Sandwell Council, which owns the house, has said the wire is dangerous and has to be taken down.
'Last resort'
It has written to Mrs Partridge and her disabled mother, telling them the wire must come down or they will lose their home.
It followed a complaint from a neighbour.
Mrs Partridge said: "I appreciate it isn't very nice to look at but it's a very, very last desperate resort to try and say 'keep away'.
"Everything else we've tried has failed."
Peter John, of Sandwell Homes, said that, while he was sympathetic, the wire was dangerous and would have to come down.
Just typical of the way this country of ours is going, whey not let the scrots break into your property, why not let them destroy your personel belongings, after all they are entitled to some "fun" arnt they. And they have to practice their trade after all so they can progress to other things, like house breaking, nicking cars etc etc.
You know I jest of course, but if a man cant protect his own home, what can he do, try calling the ol bill, they might look into it if ever they turn up......
This country is going down the tubes fast in my humble opinion.
You know I jest of course, but if a man cant protect his own home, what can he do, try calling the ol bill, they might look into it if ever they turn up......
This country is going down the tubes fast in my humble opinion.
kenp said:
If I rented a house to somebody, then I would also take exception if they strung barbed wire up.
If I was renting a house that was being vandalised and the easiest and most effective way to stop this was by putting barbed wire up, I'd do it. If my landlord complained I'd move out.
it is illegal for you to implement any device which could bring harm to another person, i.e the scum vandalising your property would have every right and will be able to claim legal aid to sue you if while breaking into your house or vandalising it they sustained an injury caused by a deterrant you put in place! <<<this is what is wrong with society today,I can break into your house trip over your childs toy,break a leg and then sue you! has it not occured to you all? crime infact DOES pay! they are now talking of rewarding unruly pupils with cash/gifts in schools to stop them disrupting the class!
vipers said:
Just typical of the way this country of ours is going, whey not let the scrots break into your property, why not let them destroy your personel belongings, after all they are entitled to some "fun" arnt they. And they have to practice their trade after all so they can progress to other things, like house breaking, nicking cars etc etc.
You know I jest of course, but if a man cant protect his own home, what can he do, try calling the ol bill, they might look into it if ever they turn up......
This country is going down the tubes fast in my humble opinion.
You know I jest of course, but if a man cant protect his own home, what can he do, try calling the ol bill, they might look into it if ever they turn up......
This country is going down the tubes fast in my humble opinion.
In my humble opinion it has already gone down the tubes
bi9_jk said:
vipers said:
Just typical of the way this country of ours is going, whey not let the scrots break into your property, why not let them destroy your personel belongings, after all they are entitled to some "fun" arnt they. And they have to practice their trade after all so they can progress to other things, like house breaking, nicking cars etc etc.
You know I jest of course, but if a man cant protect his own home, what can he do, try calling the ol bill, they might look into it if ever they turn up......
This country is going down the tubes fast in my humble opinion.
You know I jest of course, but if a man cant protect his own home, what can he do, try calling the ol bill, they might look into it if ever they turn up......
This country is going down the tubes fast in my humble opinion.
In my humble opinion it has already gone down the tubes
Yes, I think your are absolutely right there. Only the other day I read of a parent who tried to sue a school for a burn their little darling received when they came first in a race, and the winning tape "burnt" their chests, and the parents who tried to sue the school when their little scrotes "bumped" into each other in the playground...............
Householders have a duty of care to everyone entering their property ... whether by invitation, accidentally or criminally (discussed in a thread about a metal post). I do prefer the system in a number of US states, where criminals are responsible for their actions whilst illegally on your property and any misfortune that befalls them is axiomatically their fault. If their actions result in injury to or death of one of their cohorts ... the accountability is theirs. Here, it would probably be the householder's - Streaky
The following incident occured recently.
Whilst out walking with my dog Monty (Purlewy Tomatin) a 6 month old English Springer Spaniel at the edge of a local park I noticed to my utter disbelief that he had become entangled in some very old rusty barbed wire when running through part of the council owned parkland. He sustained a large gash to his chest.
Whilst my wife tried to calm this very stressed young dog, I went to see what exactly had caused this. I found several rotting fenceposts that had, over time, partially fallen over and all joined by this rusting barbed-wire. The wire was easily visable and at a height of approximately 10-12 inches from ground level. It is extremely fortunate that he had not been running with his usual gait, head down, as the injuries would have almost certainly been to the eyes.
After examining the wound we immediately returned home, cleaned the area and called the vet. We were unable to reach one that was in a position to attend immediately and our local surgery 150 yards away had closed.
We worked in short shifts to staunch the intermittant bleeding and generally attempting to keep him calm and from licking the wound and dressing. Our five year old son found this all extremely distressing.
Upon the vetinary practice opening their doors the following morning we were immediately called through and Monty was examined, the opinion being taken that as the barbed wire was very contaminated, and the wound swollen, the infection process had begun.
The decision was taken that Monty would need to be booked in for a small operation and stitching the following day when the antibiotics had reduced the swelling sufficiently.
I telephoned the Local Authority and arranged to meet thier Assistant Parks and Countryside Manager later that day. Upon meeting him I showed him to the spot where the incident had taken place, just two yards from the public footpath alongside the Canal. He and I subsequently photographed the area and the dangerous material and at my request he provided the contact details of the Financial Services Insurance Officer.
After returning home I telephoned regarding the matter of compensation, an unknown quantity at that point as Monty was awaiting the operation and I was awaiting the bill.
The advice given to me was along the lines of 'write us a letter and we'll pass it over to our insurers...'
The operation and stitching took place the following day with Monty appearing to make a normal recovery, however the swelling failed to reduce as expected and further medication was required. The stitches were removed 8 days later after a very difficult period of keeping the wound clean and dry and the dog from biting at the area (the household experiencing a number of sleepless nights)
Monty has excellent breeding with Crufts best of breed in the lineage, and it was expected that he would also go on to a successful future as he was the finest dog of the litter.
It has since been noticed that Monty is not as forward-going when out in the field as he was before the incident with a reluctance that belies his breed, it is true to say sadly that he has 'lost some heart’.
Apart from the very apparent costs as evidenced by the vets bills (copies enclosed) I feel there is another, less easily quantifiable figure to be agreed upon, this taking into account the significant distress and disruption caused to myself and my family and the alteration in nature of a very promising, potential champion working and show dog.
The Authority removed the dangerous material which was the cause of the injury a week later but illogically failed to remove a similar stretch nailed to trees just ten yards away.
Interestingly there seems no shortage of injury lawyers ready to represent an individual who falls off a ladder etc., however, when the injury is to an animal and/or the guilty party is a local authority they are reluctant to involve themselves.
Are there any lawyers here because I'm ready to act.
Whilst out walking with my dog Monty (Purlewy Tomatin) a 6 month old English Springer Spaniel at the edge of a local park I noticed to my utter disbelief that he had become entangled in some very old rusty barbed wire when running through part of the council owned parkland. He sustained a large gash to his chest.
Whilst my wife tried to calm this very stressed young dog, I went to see what exactly had caused this. I found several rotting fenceposts that had, over time, partially fallen over and all joined by this rusting barbed-wire. The wire was easily visable and at a height of approximately 10-12 inches from ground level. It is extremely fortunate that he had not been running with his usual gait, head down, as the injuries would have almost certainly been to the eyes.
After examining the wound we immediately returned home, cleaned the area and called the vet. We were unable to reach one that was in a position to attend immediately and our local surgery 150 yards away had closed.
We worked in short shifts to staunch the intermittant bleeding and generally attempting to keep him calm and from licking the wound and dressing. Our five year old son found this all extremely distressing.
Upon the vetinary practice opening their doors the following morning we were immediately called through and Monty was examined, the opinion being taken that as the barbed wire was very contaminated, and the wound swollen, the infection process had begun.
The decision was taken that Monty would need to be booked in for a small operation and stitching the following day when the antibiotics had reduced the swelling sufficiently.
I telephoned the Local Authority and arranged to meet thier Assistant Parks and Countryside Manager later that day. Upon meeting him I showed him to the spot where the incident had taken place, just two yards from the public footpath alongside the Canal. He and I subsequently photographed the area and the dangerous material and at my request he provided the contact details of the Financial Services Insurance Officer.
After returning home I telephoned regarding the matter of compensation, an unknown quantity at that point as Monty was awaiting the operation and I was awaiting the bill.
The advice given to me was along the lines of 'write us a letter and we'll pass it over to our insurers...'
The operation and stitching took place the following day with Monty appearing to make a normal recovery, however the swelling failed to reduce as expected and further medication was required. The stitches were removed 8 days later after a very difficult period of keeping the wound clean and dry and the dog from biting at the area (the household experiencing a number of sleepless nights)
Monty has excellent breeding with Crufts best of breed in the lineage, and it was expected that he would also go on to a successful future as he was the finest dog of the litter.
It has since been noticed that Monty is not as forward-going when out in the field as he was before the incident with a reluctance that belies his breed, it is true to say sadly that he has 'lost some heart’.
Apart from the very apparent costs as evidenced by the vets bills (copies enclosed) I feel there is another, less easily quantifiable figure to be agreed upon, this taking into account the significant distress and disruption caused to myself and my family and the alteration in nature of a very promising, potential champion working and show dog.
The Authority removed the dangerous material which was the cause of the injury a week later but illogically failed to remove a similar stretch nailed to trees just ten yards away.
Interestingly there seems no shortage of injury lawyers ready to represent an individual who falls off a ladder etc., however, when the injury is to an animal and/or the guilty party is a local authority they are reluctant to involve themselves.
Are there any lawyers here because I'm ready to act.
Edited by Mark V8 on Saturday 28th April 23:39
Edited by Mark V8 on Saturday 28th April 23:39
Edited by Mark V8 on Saturday 28th April 23:44
steve.c said:
it is illegal for you to implement any device which could bring harm to another person, i.e the scum vandalising your property would have every right and will be able to claim legal aid to sue you if while breaking into your house or vandalising it they sustained an injury caused by a deterrant you put in place! <<<this is what is wrong with society today,I can break into your house trip over your childs toy,break a leg and then sue you! has it not occured to you all? crime infact DOES pay! they are now talking of rewarding unruly pupils with cash/gifts in schools to stop them disrupting the class!
Certain states in USA, burgulary, you can shoot him dead if he is in your property.
steve.c said:
it is illegal for you to implement any device which could bring harm to another person, i.e the scum vandalising your property would have every right and will be able to claim legal aid to sue you if while breaking into your house or vandalising it they sustained an injury caused by a deterrant you put in place! <<<this is what is wrong with society today,I can break into your house trip over your childs toy,break a leg and then sue you! has it not occured to you all? crime infact DOES pay! they are now talking of rewarding unruly pupils with cash/gifts in schools to stop them disrupting the class!
Yes, you can't put down mantraps, razor wire or anything else... i suppose you could rent a few landmines or something but that's also illegal.
However... there are several plants which are pretty much like razor wire and exceptionally tough. You could also go with a traditional English rose bush and let the scrotes jump in to the middle of that. Won't take as much punishment as the biological razor wire will but will still give scrote some stick.
I don't think you could sue over jumping in to a rose bush... It's not like you could prove its maliciously placed, it's just against a wall growing in the shade.
Aye, thorny shrubs like berberis and pyracantha are good to keep people out with the odd briar rose in between for good measure - hawthorn is also particularly nasty as the thorns snap off under the skin and can take weeks to work their way out.
Anti-vandal paint on the top of any walls/fences until the shrubs grow large enough.
Anti-vandal paint on the top of any walls/fences until the shrubs grow large enough.
I don't understand why there is a difference in the law between private houses and business premises?
Business are frequently protected by spiked fences/ razer wire etc. Surely this is to protect the companies property from potential theives, why are they entitled to break into my house, but not a business?
Business are frequently protected by spiked fences/ razer wire etc. Surely this is to protect the companies property from potential theives, why are they entitled to break into my house, but not a business?
Edited by hedders on Sunday 29th April 09:17
Razor wire is immoral, in my opinion. Any device that is designed with "surgical steel blades to cause maximum wounding effect" is just wrong. It's also very ugly, especially for domestic use.
But that aside, this law has been in effect for decades. It has been illegal to cement broken glass onto the tops of walls since I don't know when (1970's) for example.
There are plenty of legal alternatives though. A flimsy trellis on the top of your fences and walls that will break rather than bear a burglar's weight is a good idea combined with a hawthorn bush for them to fall into.
But that aside, this law has been in effect for decades. It has been illegal to cement broken glass onto the tops of walls since I don't know when (1970's) for example.
There are plenty of legal alternatives though. A flimsy trellis on the top of your fences and walls that will break rather than bear a burglar's weight is a good idea combined with a hawthorn bush for them to fall into.
article said:
A family has been threatened with eviction after they put up razor wire to stop vandals breaking into their property.
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It followed a complaint from a neighbour.
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It followed a complaint from a neighbour.
Perhaps we should be trying to find out why the neighbour complained!
Is it not impossible that he was the said vandal?
Mark V8 said:
The following incident occured recently.
**SNIP**
Interestingly there seems no shortage of injury lawyers ready to represent an individual who falls off a ladder etc., however, when the injury is to an animal and/or the guilty party is a local authority they are reluctant to involve themselves.
Are there any lawyers here because I'm ready to act.
**SNIP**
Interestingly there seems no shortage of injury lawyers ready to represent an individual who falls off a ladder etc., however, when the injury is to an animal and/or the guilty party is a local authority they are reluctant to involve themselves.
Are there any lawyers here because I'm ready to act.
As I understand it animals are chattels in the eye of the law, i.e. simple possessions. Therefore any claim you can make are for the cost of a replacement Springer Spaniel (probably around £500) or for the cost of veterinary treatment (probably at most a few hundred pounds for a simple stitch-up). As far as I know there is no precedent of successful claims for 'emotional distress' with cases such as this etc, but IANAL and I may be wrong.
A related (but slightly irrelevant) example is if a veterinary surgeon makes a mistake when treating an animal. The veterinary surgeon becomes liable either for the cost of any further necessary treatment as a result of the mistake, or for the replacement cost of the animal (and bear in mind that an animal requiring veterinary treatment has little value, so this is usually a small amount). I am almost certain that there is no precedent of success claims for 'emotional distress' caused by incorrect diagnosis or treatment of an animal.
IANAL, but I am a vet.
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