RE: The new boys in blue?
RE: The new boys in blue?
Wednesday 9th May 2007

The new boys in blue?

First motorist prosecuted after Traffic Officer complaint


A motorist has become the first driver on the region’s motorways to be prosecuted after a complaint by Highways Agency Traffic Officers.

Friendly - but will they stay that way?
Friendly - but will they stay that way?
The man appeared at Tameside Magistrates’ Court in March and admitted driving under intermittent red crosses signifying a lane closure ahead.

He was travelling clockwise near junction 22 of the M60 between Oldham and Ashton at around 8.20pm on November 9.  A patrol of Highways Agency Traffic Officers was carrying out a rolling road block to allow contractors ahead to safely cone off the outside lane for roadworks.

Staff at the HA’s North West Regional Control Centre at Newton-le-Willows had set a series of signs above the lane warning drivers to switch lanes and slow down as well as the red crosses warning of the lane closure ahead.  However, the driver ignored these and was then reported by the Traffic Officers to Greater Manchester Police.

The driver was fined £60 and three penalty points were added to his driving licence at the magistrates’ court hearing in March.

Dave Ryder, Network Operations Manager for the North West Traffic Office Service, said,  “This case will raise awareness of the powers of Highways Agency Traffic Officers and hopefully strongly influence drivers to observe the directions given by them when engaged in the direction of traffic and in the management of incidents. 

“Traffic Officers’ duties include the setting of signs and signals and effecting closures and directing traffic in order to ensure the safety of the public, themselves and other roadworkers. 

“Drivers therefore need to understand they run the risk of prosecution, which includes the imposition of penalty points on their licence, which could lead to a driving ban, should they fail to heed signs and or Traffic Officers’ instructions.”

No one here at PH disputes the importance of roadworker safety, or the good work done by Traffic Officers in general. Nevertheless, what might this lead to, and might we need to be a lot more wary of the yellow and black vehicles one day…

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RobPhoboS

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3,454 posts

257 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Naa

Nothing to worry about yet unless your a prat.

hendry

1,945 posts

313 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Er, really? I want to know more about this. What sort of evidence was presented? Clearly someting good to take the word of a couple of blokes in a Shogun who have not had to pass any qualifications in awareness of traffic laws, or sworn any oaths.

Either than or the defendants lawyer needs shooting.

SS HSV

9,646 posts

289 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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RobPhoboS said:
Naa

Nothing to worry about yet unless your a prat.


I disagree. It sets a precedence which others will follow. The Nazi's of the road have been born.

These people do not have the same training that Plod gets.


Edited by SS HSV on Wednesday 9th May 11:09

mat205125

17,790 posts

244 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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RobPhoboS said:
Naa

Nothing to worry about yet unless your a prat.


yes

Agreed!

Slow down to verify the vehicle is not a real copper, then accelerate back to normal cruising Leptons.

JWBCoulson

279 posts

276 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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he was driving like a idiot, and it could have been a passing motorist who saw it, complained and gave a statement, the guy then confessed.

silver993tt

9,064 posts

270 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Does that mean we can fine the police £60 and get a minus 3 points on our licenses when the information shown on most motorways is way out of date? That would be a big incentive to show relevant and timely information.

When a lane is closed on a motorway showing the red 'X' it is invariabley far too early, often a couple of miles at least.

Again, this has nothing to do with safety whatsoever - just another way to make easy money to fund pointless jobs that are so well loved by the labour government.

esselte

14,626 posts

298 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Ahem....

runnersp

1,061 posts

251 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Smug little critters aren't they???

Nano2nd

3,426 posts

287 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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hendry said:

Er, really? I want to know more about this. What sort of evidence was presented? Clearly someting good to take the word of a couple of blokes in a Shogun who have not had to pass any qualifications in awareness of traffic laws, or sworn any oaths.

Either than or the defendants lawyer needs shooting.


totaly agree! the scope of their "opinions" is limitless!

scamper

732 posts

253 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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nothing to worry about??? I think you should become very worried....as has been said before - you slow down, see its HATO, accelerate to normal speed - BANG you have just been spotted speeding by HATO, £60 fine and 3 points thank you very much....

Dont think it will happen, only time will tell.....

And yes I have seen lane closure signals, moved into the now congested open lanes only to find 2 miles down the road that there isnt a lane closure at all.....

FTOandTVR

74 posts

248 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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That and the congestion ahead signs on the M5 and M42 trying to push people onto the M6 Toll which never actually appear.

tubthumper34

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234 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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I don't think that there is too much to worry about, I wanna know how they proved this to the police without any video or photographic evidence, unless of course they have cameras on board their chelsea tractors. I don't think though that they will ever get the same powers as the traffic plod, knowing them as I do, they will be up in arms if HSA get given more powers to abuse

robwales

1,427 posts

241 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Are these speed limits mandatory or advisory, seeing as they are not in red circles?

TPS

1,860 posts

244 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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hendry said:

Er, really? I want to know more about this. What sort of evidence was presented? Clearly someting good to take the word of a couple of blokes in a Shogun who have not had to pass any qualifications in awareness of traffic laws, or sworn any oaths.

Either than or the defendants lawyer needs shooting.


This is the same as a police officer saying he saw you do something in court eg jumping a red light but does not have it on camera.Another example is you saw the bloke in the dock assault mr x,although this is not caught on camera you saw it and under oath give evidence that could lead to the person being prosucuted even though you are not trained in anyway or a police officer.

TPS

1,860 posts

244 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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robwales said:

Are these speed limits mandatory or advisory, seeing as they are not in red circles?


Normally advisory if green mandatory if red.

munter

31,331 posts

272 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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hendry said:

Er, really? I want to know more about this. What sort of evidence was presented? Clearly someting good to take the word of a couple of blokes in a Shogun who have not had to pass any qualifications in awareness of traffic laws, or sworn any oaths.

Either than or the defendants lawyer needs shooting.


As I understand it they have been trained in their job and the powers that come with it... And part of their job is the saftey of road users and workers. This guy was ignoring warnings and therefore being a danger to people who were working on the road. NOT some phantom "debris in road" but a real live obstacle. I would expect them to have the power to present evidence against the driver in this sort of situation. Be that verbal or otherwise.

I've not ignored the red X ever since one flashed up on the gantry ahead and as I changed lane and came around the corner in the m'way I saw just beyond was a large chunk of metal. I think it was originally connected to a HGV trailer to stop cars going underneath. If i'd hit that or tried to swerve around it later than I did, I think it might have been messy...

boosted ls1

21,200 posts

291 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Yes, all they did was make a complaint to the police in the same way as joe public could. They have no special powers and no ability to judge speed etc. Police investigated the complaint and the defendant must have caved in at some point. This is being used for propaganda imo. I'll still drive at my usual speed when I see them and drive safely when I see lane change signs or directions.

Boosted.

mat205125

17,790 posts

244 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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runnersp said:

Smug little critters aren't they???


Bullied at school?

jwo

989 posts

280 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Hopefully!!

havoc

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266 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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TPS said:
robwales said:

Are these speed limits mandatory or advisory, seeing as they are not in red circles?


Normally advisory if green mandatory if red.


Hmmm...I always understood them to be wholly advisory unless ringed by a red circle, a-la the overheads on the monitored stretches of the M25 and M42.