Whats up with this?

[v9gue]

Got a ticket of a laser gun 58 in a 50,
Requested the evidence got a single picture back with the number plate unreadable and driver and passenger both unrecognisable because of the very poor quality of the picture.
Can this be used as evidence?

[eltax91]

I was in a similar situation, and the picture was so bad it was almost impossible to read the number plate. I got done on this shoddy evidence along with an extra little fine for my toruble of going to court.

[tigger1]

I think this thread raises two very pertinent questions:

Was it you?

Were you speeding?

[SS2.]

v9gue said:

Requested the evidence got a single picture back with the number plate unreadable...

They must have at least one image where your plate is legible, otherwise how did the NIP find its way to you ?

v9gue said:

..and driver and passenger both unrecognisable because of the very poor quality of the picture.

They will say, quite correctly, that the purpose of the photograph is not to identify the driver. They rely on s.172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and its threat of criminal sanction to encourage you into either 'fessing up or nominating another..

v9gue said:

Can this be used as evidence?

As proof of driver identity ? No.
As proof of an offence of excess speed ? Yes (although they will almost certainly produce a zoomed / better quality image if matters were to progress to court).

Edited by SS2. on Tuesday 29th May 15:01

[v9gue]

Thanks for sharing your experience regarding the court.
In the picture provided as evidence, the numberplate is not just hard to read, but completely unreadable.

yes it was me, well i was travelling the same road at a similar time. I'm just shocked at the shoddy evidence had i been a more dubious character then i think i could in all fairness say that the documentation provided did not either idenify the car or the driver.
I don't think i was over the limit at the time of which i also stated in a letter asking for the case to be reviewed and for the eveidence to be provided, a second photo a few seconds later showing me doing the same speed and i would be satisfied the case was proved to a point it would not be worth argueing over.

Is it not reasonable for a case to be proved these days?
I might add that it was on a 3 lane carrageway in the last 100m strech of road before the speedlimit rises from 50 to 70, which is a little sneaky to say the least.

[NobleGuy]

v9gue said:

Is it not reasonable for a case to be proved these days?

No, not unreasonable at all. Just unrealistic.
Crazy huh!

[Jasandjules]

It must be proved by the prosecution beyond a reasonable doubt - this is true for murder, rape, robbery, assault etc..

Sadly, for speeding, this is not the case.

[7db]

Jasandjules said:

It must be proved by the prosecution beyond a reasonable doubt - this is true for murder, rape, robbery, assault etc..

Sadly, for speeding, this is not the case.

Yes it is, stop whining.

[justamin]

Ask for the FULL SESSION Video....... They must provide you with evidence before you enter a plea

[SS2.]

justamin said:

They must provide you with evidence before you enter a plea

Firstly, the OP has not been summoned for any alleged offence.

And secondly, they are under no obligation whatsoever to disclose any evidence on which the Crown proposes to rely until a summons has been served and a plea of not guilty has been entered.

[Fats25]

v9gue said:

Thanks for sharing your experience regarding the court.
In the picture provided as evidence, the numberplate is not just hard to read, but completely unreadable.

Just a thought - and I have no knowledge as to whether this is true or not - but I would have thought it is unreadable in the photo they sent you as it is printed in low quality. When they look at the digital photo - it is probably 100% readable.
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[7db]

frazer guest said:

Fight it all the way, always , even if you are guilty.

Dont let the bastards take you for an easy ride. Make them work for their money, because thats all it is, especially on the road you described. Its nothing more than a tax. Dont you pay enough all ready?????

Good way to pay a little more if they offer you a cheap way out.

[NobleGuy]

7db said:

Jasandjules said:

It must be proved by the prosecution beyond a reasonable doubt - this is true for murder, rape, robbery, assault etc..

Sadly, for speeding, this is not the case.

Yes it is, stop whining.

Have you ever been caught? My guess is no, considering that naive statement. They get you (often) with the flimsiest of evidence at best and then their whole media machine makes it plain that if you dare to question it you'll pay for it financially and in terms of hassle and time in the long run. In mine and a lot of others experience, you ARE guilty until you can prove your innocence I'm afraid - and the CPS are arseholes that perpetuate this more than anyone else. Complete bastards the lot of them.

[Cpn Jack Spanner]

I think it's the same here as in China, they will ask you in court what evidence you have that it wasn't you.