Is every other topic 'anti-establishment'?!?
Discussion
Certainly this week, almost certainly this year, and possibly for longer, about half the threads I'm reading fall into the same theme:-
"I've been done by an automated system, it's not me/not accurate, and they won't listen to me."
OR
"They're setting / proposing to set this automated system up but it's riddled with flaws and won't actually be any more accurate than the current system."
So...can we take it as read that this government is obsessed by "on-the-surface foolproof but in-reality riddled-with-flaws" technology that will cost 5x as much to install as the current system even if it goes according to budget (which they never do), and will lead to "computer says no" treatment of the general public.
One particular (but not unique) aspect of this is law-enforcement, and this is what keeps coming up here...mainly because this is possibly the scariest application of insecure/fallible technology.
The real question we should be asking is:-
"Short of a national strike/riot/exodus, or a General Election, what can we do to stem this tide of techno-enforcement?"
"I've been done by an automated system, it's not me/not accurate, and they won't listen to me."
OR
"They're setting / proposing to set this automated system up but it's riddled with flaws and won't actually be any more accurate than the current system."
So...can we take it as read that this government is obsessed by "on-the-surface foolproof but in-reality riddled-with-flaws" technology that will cost 5x as much to install as the current system even if it goes according to budget (which they never do), and will lead to "computer says no" treatment of the general public.
One particular (but not unique) aspect of this is law-enforcement, and this is what keeps coming up here...mainly because this is possibly the scariest application of insecure/fallible technology.
The real question we should be asking is:-
"Short of a national strike/riot/exodus, or a General Election, what can we do to stem this tide of techno-enforcement?"
Riot, it's the only way ! The establishment don't give a toss about what the people that put them there think and never have. What makes anyone think that they just might actually start listening now ?????? I love this forum, it's like my own little soap box. Glad to know it's not just me.
Edited by curr2633 on Tuesday 5th June 15:15
yep - this country is being led by the flawed few who have no idea about the real issues and the flaws of their proposed new technologies (are they shareholders in the companies?)
'middle england'/anyone with an iota of common sense can see this, but how can the silent majority protest - look at the road pricing petition - what good did it do???? apart from give the enforcers a list of nearly 2million people to keep an eye on!!!
'middle england'/anyone with an iota of common sense can see this, but how can the silent majority protest - look at the road pricing petition - what good did it do???? apart from give the enforcers a list of nearly 2million people to keep an eye on!!!
fbrs said:
havoc said:
...exodus...
3 weeks and counting 
8% top rate tax and sunshine Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 6th June 09:23
I heard as part of the TT coverage that tax on the IOM is 10%. This plus low corporate taxes apparently encourages businesses to locate there resulting in a thriving economy. I wonder whether this could be applied elsewhere, or that just too radical?
ukwill said:
I wonder just how big the anti-car lobby, compared to the pro-car lobby. I certainly think the anti-car lobby is by far the more vociferous.
It's NOT an ANTI-CAR lobby it's a CARS only to be used for Slow and Frustrating Transportation Lobby. 50% of the people who drive in this country derive NO enjoyment from the experience and believe that those that try to are KILLERS in Waiting. Not all 50% are wimmin. Although all the wimmin I know are convinced that Driving should be done sedately and as if you are on ice. None of them know the limits or handling Characteristics of thier cars.
jacko lah said:
ukwill said:
I wonder just how big the anti-car lobby, compared to the pro-car lobby. I certainly think the anti-car lobby is by far the more vociferous.
It's NOT an ANTI-CAR lobby it's a CARS only to be used for Slow and Frustrating Transportation Lobby. 50% of the people who drive in this country derive NO enjoyment from the experience and believe that those that try to are KILLERS in Waiting. Not all 50% are wimmin. Although all the wimmin I know are convinced that Driving should be done sedately and as if you are on ice. None of them know the limits or handling Characteristics of thier cars.
etcWhilst the surveillance aspect as applied to cars is the main interest on here, the overall implications of this 'surveillance society' that's being created make the speed-monitoring issue a very minor irritation.
The real threat to all of us is the use of 'the terrorist threats' to seriously monitor, manage and control virtually every aspect of our lives in this country. In fact, even Adolf Hitler could not, in his wildest dreams, have envisaged the level to which electronic surveillance, GPS-based tracking and the associated technology could and will be used by governments to achieve total control of every citizen and his/her activities.
If anyone tries to subvert this, he/she will be accused of 'assisting the terrorists' with the threat of legal actions against them for so doing. For this alleged assistance of the 'terrorists' you will soon be able to be held incommunicado for up to 90 days whilst your interrogations take place.
The real reason for using this technology is "because we can" and it will be applied to everything we do within 25 years or so.
Some of the implications of this draconian regime can and could be avoided by, for example:
Never driving over any speed limit
Registering you car abroad at an accommodation address and insuring it there
Not having an installed GPS system anywhere
Not having a mobile phone or, if you must, then switching it off whilst travelling.
Paying cash for everything you buy & never using a credit/debit card except at a bank for withdrawing cash.
Not using any form of internet service to purchase anything
Having an overseas address for important correspondence
Not using email, using land-based postal systems instead.
If you do this you effectively become a 'non-person' in terms of trackability.
It's not our 'carbon footprint' we should be worried about, it's our 'electronic footprint' which should be our major concern.
Total control of our driving habits is really just a minor part of this surveillance for which the main justification is 'The War on Terrorism'.
It may well be that our postings on here will be regarded as subversive under this regime and supportive of the terrorists. How long before some of us 'disappear' in a 'nacht und nebel' (night & fog) as Adolf called it for up to 90 days just because we don't like the systems being imposed to 'combat terrorism'.
We must all take care unless we are prepared to just 'knuckle-under' and become totally controlled in all we do and say. There is still time!
Sorry for such a long post.
The real threat to all of us is the use of 'the terrorist threats' to seriously monitor, manage and control virtually every aspect of our lives in this country. In fact, even Adolf Hitler could not, in his wildest dreams, have envisaged the level to which electronic surveillance, GPS-based tracking and the associated technology could and will be used by governments to achieve total control of every citizen and his/her activities.
If anyone tries to subvert this, he/she will be accused of 'assisting the terrorists' with the threat of legal actions against them for so doing. For this alleged assistance of the 'terrorists' you will soon be able to be held incommunicado for up to 90 days whilst your interrogations take place.
The real reason for using this technology is "because we can" and it will be applied to everything we do within 25 years or so.
Some of the implications of this draconian regime can and could be avoided by, for example:
Never driving over any speed limit
Registering you car abroad at an accommodation address and insuring it there
Not having an installed GPS system anywhere
Not having a mobile phone or, if you must, then switching it off whilst travelling.
Paying cash for everything you buy & never using a credit/debit card except at a bank for withdrawing cash.
Not using any form of internet service to purchase anything
Having an overseas address for important correspondence
Not using email, using land-based postal systems instead.
If you do this you effectively become a 'non-person' in terms of trackability.
It's not our 'carbon footprint' we should be worried about, it's our 'electronic footprint' which should be our major concern.
Total control of our driving habits is really just a minor part of this surveillance for which the main justification is 'The War on Terrorism'.
It may well be that our postings on here will be regarded as subversive under this regime and supportive of the terrorists. How long before some of us 'disappear' in a 'nacht und nebel' (night & fog) as Adolf called it for up to 90 days just because we don't like the systems being imposed to 'combat terrorism'.
We must all take care unless we are prepared to just 'knuckle-under' and become totally controlled in all we do and say. There is still time!
Sorry for such a long post.
And who's responsible for the terrorist threat over here.......BLAIR! I'm sure I'm not the only one who could see this coming when he decided go get involved with Bush. A million people marching were ignored just like more recent petition signers!
Can't afford to provide us with the transport network we need but can throw money at this 'cause' over and over again. Our money. Taxpayers' money.
What are we going to do about it?
Can't afford to provide us with the transport network we need but can throw money at this 'cause' over and over again. Our money. Taxpayers' money.
What are we going to do about it?
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