Speed Awareness...can I have some ammo?

[zetecboy]

Right well I have my speed awareness course soon...

They gave me a sheet to fill out, which asks you if you think speed camera's reduce accidents, if they're effective, if they are a waste of money etc.

I've read many statistics on here and other forum's stating that they make sod all difference and are just a way of the government to make money...

Basically I'd like some solid evidence to quote at the course of why speed camera's are a load of boocks so I can at least try and prove a point, do you know where I can find the speed camera statistics etc. or does anyone have any they can give me which I can note down?

[tonyvid]

zetecboy said:

Right well I have my speed awareness course soon...

They gave me a sheet to fill out, which asks you if you think speed camera's reduce accidents, if they're effective, if they are a waste of money etc.

I've read many statistics on here and other forum's stating that they make sod all difference and are just a way of the government to make money...

Basically I'd like some solid evidence to quote at the course of why speed camera's are a load of boocks so I can at least try and prove a point, do you know where I can find the speed camera statistics etc. or does anyone have any they can give me which I can note down?

Might be best to sing their song...

[dazren]

These idiots can fail you if you don't toe the party line. Do you want three points or not?

[zetecboy]

How can they fail you for quoting genuine statistics and asking for a reasonable explanation?

I don't want to have an argument, I just want to hear what they have to say about all the statistics I've read on here, proving speed camera's to be pretty useless.

Surely they can't fail you for asking questions and quoting facts?

[cen]

A camera as just been removed from a motorway in Port Talbot South Wales. The authorities are being very cagey about the removal reasons stating that it is being removed because it is causing congestion.

This is a load of codswallop all in South Wales know and the authority have previously admitted that since the camera as been installed there has been more accidents caused usually by motorists seeing a limit on a motorway with no roadworks of 50 mph then seeing the camera and braking to adjust their speed causing a domino effect accident.

The following link gives reasoning but if you search further then you should find the original press release whereupon, the authority admits the accident ratio increased.

http://www.injurywatch.co.uk/news-and-groups/news/...

[Bing o]

I fear that there is only going to be one winner in this argument....

[zetecboy]

I don't want an argument, I just want to prove a point.

[Bing o]

zetecboy said:

I don't want an argument, I just want to prove a point.

And you will.

3 of them...

[tonyvid]

Bing o said:

zetecboy said:

I don't want an argument, I just want to prove a point.

And you will.

3 of them...

You have a choice - 3 points or humble pie, both are a form of punishment.

Edited by tonyvid on Wednesday 13th June 11:25

[7db]

zetecboy said:

I don't want an argument, I just want to prove a point.

Which point do you think you can prove that the people running the courses haven't already heard?

How were you caught?

[Raify]

Why not reply:

"I've researched this thoroughly using X and Y sources of data, and cannot find any conclusive proof either way."

[zetecboy]

I got caught doing 33 by a speed camera, it was at the bottom of a hill. I've been back since and there aren't even any schools or houses on this road, nothing that could prove to be a hazard at 40mph... just a petrol station. The camera has no point in being there other than to make money as I think a lot of people tend to use it as a short-cut when it's busy.

Edited by zetecboy on Wednesday 13th June 12:33

[Mr2Mike]

If you search back through the archive quite a few people have mentioned that the "speed awareness" course they attended was actually very good, and "speed kills" was not rammed down their throats.

[The Griffalo]

The idea of the course is for you to "improve" so if you go in all anti scammer it's not such a bad thing. Sure, you'll have to eat a bit of humble pie at the end but it's still cheaper than three points and £60.

[7db]

If you go in with a few smart questions, it might be good to have an answer to the question:- "why didn't you notice (or slow down for) the big yellow box"?

[7db]

zetecboy said:

I got caught doing 33

Do you have a note from them saying it was 33 - that's a very low threshold. Where was the camera?

[SplatSpeed]

speed management

the popular alternative to learning to drive

[zetecboy]

Yeah it says 33mph on the letter from the police.

I didn't notice the speed camera because you can't actually fully see it until it's too late as the angle to which you come down the hill blocks off the camera with a signpost.

Oh well, live and learn. I have found the statistics I was looking for now, it's just the letter they send you makes it out that speed cameras are the most brilliant things ever invented and stop everyone being killed when it's clearly not the case and it's just a way for them to make more money.

Why don't they do away with the fines and just issue points?

[Bing o]

zetecboy said:

Why don't they do away with the fines and just issue points?

I'd rather they did away with points and just issued fines myself....

[MattyB123]

im with the op on this one. if they give you a form to fill out argue with fact. surely it would be illegal for them to "fail" you on this basis as you are providing full and frank answers. dont tow their line if you dont have to.