"Most Dnagerous Roads Need 5* Cars"
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Actually it say we need five star trained drivers who drive 5 star cars on 5 star roads if we want to cut accidents per the last sentence in this piece 
But I already told you - we need C O A S T training/motivation to improve as constant!
But do you agree with the above list? :scrathchchin: I quite like the A683 I do not actually find it a problem myself.
Ach! I mis-spelled the title.
I pasted the rest from the Beeb site as it spell better than I can 
But I already told you - we need C O A S T training/motivation to improve as constant!
BBC News Site said:
'Most dangerous' roads revealed
Researchers say better road layout can help prevent accidents
Britain's most dangerous road for travelling on is a section of highway in Lancashire, according to a survey.
The 15-mile stretch of the A682 has had almost 100 deaths or serious injuries in the last decade.
The report was compiled by the Road Safety Foundation for the European Road Assessment Programme (EuroRAP).
Head researcher Dr Joanne Hill said a further 16 road sections were adjudged to present a persistent "medium to high risk" to road users.
The section of the A682, between junction 13 of the M65 and Long Preston, was the only road in the highest risk category.
The survey found that the second worst road was the A54 Congleton to Buxton in Derbyshire, with the third worst being the A683 from junction 34 of the M6 to Kirkby Lonsdale in Cumbria.
Dr Hill said: "The good news from the survey is that many of Britain's authorities have brought in countermeasures to tackle the higher risk routes in their areas.
"Most are quick, simple and cheap, involving little more than adopting modern signing, hazard markings and junction layouts."
Dr Hill said that the A682 "fails on every collision type".
Rail crash equivalent
These included junction and access road crashes, collisions with rigid roadside objects, overtaking crashes, pedestrian and cyclist collisions and motorcycle crashes.
"The death-toll on this stretch of road is the equivalent of five major rail crashes within 10 years," she said.
"The foundation's consultation with local authorities over the past four years has consistently shown that lack of funding is the principal reason why they do not tackle accident numbers on their roads on the scale that could make a major difference.
"Other local authorities have undoubtedly saved lives - often by the simple application of white paint."
EuroRAP chairman John Dawson said: "The UK is now falling behind those countries it used to lead only a few years ago because its pace in applying the results of research into safe road design lags behind the best.
"Cutting road deaths requires combined action to improve driver behaviour, to improve vehicle crash performance, and to provide safety features on the roads themselves.
"We need five-star drivers in five-star cars on five-star roads."
UK Most Dangersous Roads
A682 from junction M65 to A65 at Long Preston, Lancashire
A54 Congleton to Buxton, Derbyshire
A683 from junction 34 on the M6 to Kirkby Lonsdale, Cumbria
A62 from Diggle to Huddersfield, Yorkshire
A671 from Burnley to A59 at Whalley, Lancashire
A653 Dewsbury to junction 28 of the M62 south of Leeds
A1079 from Market Weighton to Kingston upon Hull
A53 Leek to Buxton
A726 from junction 3 of the M77 to Paisley in Renfrewshire, Scotland
A46 from Market Rasen to Grimsby
Researchers say better road layout can help prevent accidents
Britain's most dangerous road for travelling on is a section of highway in Lancashire, according to a survey.
The 15-mile stretch of the A682 has had almost 100 deaths or serious injuries in the last decade.
The report was compiled by the Road Safety Foundation for the European Road Assessment Programme (EuroRAP).
Head researcher Dr Joanne Hill said a further 16 road sections were adjudged to present a persistent "medium to high risk" to road users.
The section of the A682, between junction 13 of the M65 and Long Preston, was the only road in the highest risk category.
The survey found that the second worst road was the A54 Congleton to Buxton in Derbyshire, with the third worst being the A683 from junction 34 of the M6 to Kirkby Lonsdale in Cumbria.
Dr Hill said: "The good news from the survey is that many of Britain's authorities have brought in countermeasures to tackle the higher risk routes in their areas.
"Most are quick, simple and cheap, involving little more than adopting modern signing, hazard markings and junction layouts."
Dr Hill said that the A682 "fails on every collision type".
Rail crash equivalent
These included junction and access road crashes, collisions with rigid roadside objects, overtaking crashes, pedestrian and cyclist collisions and motorcycle crashes.
"The death-toll on this stretch of road is the equivalent of five major rail crashes within 10 years," she said.
"The foundation's consultation with local authorities over the past four years has consistently shown that lack of funding is the principal reason why they do not tackle accident numbers on their roads on the scale that could make a major difference.
"Other local authorities have undoubtedly saved lives - often by the simple application of white paint."
EuroRAP chairman John Dawson said: "The UK is now falling behind those countries it used to lead only a few years ago because its pace in applying the results of research into safe road design lags behind the best.
"Cutting road deaths requires combined action to improve driver behaviour, to improve vehicle crash performance, and to provide safety features on the roads themselves.
"We need five-star drivers in five-star cars on five-star roads."
UK Most Dangersous Roads
A682 from junction M65 to A65 at Long Preston, Lancashire
A54 Congleton to Buxton, Derbyshire
A683 from junction 34 on the M6 to Kirkby Lonsdale, Cumbria
A62 from Diggle to Huddersfield, Yorkshire
A671 from Burnley to A59 at Whalley, Lancashire
A653 Dewsbury to junction 28 of the M62 south of Leeds
A1079 from Market Weighton to Kingston upon Hull
A53 Leek to Buxton
A726 from junction 3 of the M77 to Paisley in Renfrewshire, Scotland
A46 from Market Rasen to Grimsby
But do you agree with the above list? :scrathchchin: I quite like the A683
I do not actually find it a problem myself. Ach! I mis-spelled the title.
I pasted the rest from the Beeb site as it spell better than I can Edited by WildCat on Monday 25th June 07:39
Looking at those roads I conclude that Buxton is a pretty dangerous place to live. Most roads in or out of Buxton seem to be on the dangerous list! But... These are some of the best roads I know!
For a really sound view on improving standards, read this excellent article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml...
For a really sound view on improving standards, read this excellent article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml...
Just read that too.
Shame that no one else can see it.
I've driven the 1st a few times, and the third a few times, and I can see why they have such a bad reputation, they are in a sense accidents waiting to happen if drivers are not paying 100% attention.
Never really speed on these kinds of roads, you could be going 30mph round a bend not paying attention and broadside a car at 30mph pulling from a poorly sighted junction.
It really does come down to COAST first and last. Funny how here on the worst roads that cameras would do bugger all. Makes you wonder why!?
Dave
Shame that no one else can see it.
I've driven the 1st a few times, and the third a few times, and I can see why they have such a bad reputation, they are in a sense accidents waiting to happen if drivers are not paying 100% attention.
Never really speed on these kinds of roads, you could be going 30mph round a bend not paying attention and broadside a car at 30mph pulling from a poorly sighted junction.
It really does come down to COAST first and last. Funny how here on the worst roads that cameras would do bugger all. Makes you wonder why!?
Dave
Bing o said:
Why are they all oop north?
Problem is, darn sarf, as the population grew, and the landscape allowed, roads/infrastructure were updated.Up norf, as cities and large towns grew, the infrastructure didn't get updated as significantly. It was meant to at one point (see the un-finished motorways website).
This has led to roads like the A683 for instance being the only direct viable route from Lancaster to the North Leeds area, like Harrogate, Skipton etc, without going about 30 miles south to go across.
So basically these small roads are over-used as cross-country rat-runs due to crap infrastructure as soon as you head out of the big urban sprawly areas.
Dave
Bing o said:
Why are they all oop north?
Because that's where all of the good roads are! I reckon the A1079 is only on there because there was a serious amount of snow on that road a winter or two back and there was a huge pile-up. I've driven it quite a bit and I've never seen/heard of any problems along it.
TripleS said:
I always thought the A59 (Skipton to Harrogate) was the one that was supposed to terrify us. In any case, I don't subscribe to this 'dangerous road' business - any more than I go with the idea that motorbikes are dangerous - and I'm not a biker.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
The A59 is a bad road, but it's probably more again to do with it carrying such a diverse traffic load over such a distance and with varying conditions.Best wishes all,
Dave.
Big articulated trucks, bikes, motorbikes, caravanners, cars, down narrow ravine like roads, exposed moor tops, valley bottoms...
I've never had issue on there though, I think it's just when people's attention is lost for a few precious seconds when it is needed the most...
I hate to say it but any driver with a keen eye on the prevailing conditions should find it a great road to be on... any of them listed for that matter. It's all about what you can see or can expect to see. Make provisions for what is or might be happening and you *should* be generally ok.
That said the report suggesting a 5* car is good advice when today your at the mercy of 5* car owners without a clue apexing blind corners!
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
Bing o said:
Why are they all oop north?
Problem is, darn sarf, as the population grew, and the landscape allowed, roads/infrastructure were updated.Up norf, as cities and large towns grew, the infrastructure didn't get updated as significantly. It was meant to at one point (see the un-finished motorways website).
This has led to roads like the A683 for instance being the only direct viable route from Lancaster to the North Leeds area, like Harrogate, Skipton etc, without going about 30 miles south to go across.
So basically these small roads are over-used as cross-country rat-runs due to crap infrastructure as soon as you head out of the big urban sprawly areas.
Dave
ewenm said:
It's interesting, I've driven the Kirkby Lonsdale road many times and never thought the road was intrinsically dangerous - after all, corners don't vary between trips along it. Sounds more like people not driving to the conditions. More excuses rather than accepting responsibility "Oh the raod is dangerous, it's not my fault I crashed!".
You are right, it isn't dangerous in my view either, all roads are only as dangerous as you allow them to be (assuming others don't just ram you off the road at silly speeds from round a blind bend)... but I can see how it *can* be more dangerous than others if you are allowing your concentration to lapse on a road that will not forgive such things!Thankfully this report has assessed the issue correctly, poor drivers compounded with poor signage. Now the signage has improved it's all down to the drivers to assess the risks appropriately.
Dave
Davel said:
Are these roads actually 'dangerous' or is it the way that drivers/riders use them?
Well I always feel it's the latter, as the road is an inanimate thing and doesn't actually do anything to cause us trouble. All we should really need to do is look at it properly and deal with it sensibly, and that should keep us OK.The nearest I can get to feeling that a road is dangerous is where there is some obscure or deceptive feature that could mislead a lot of people. It still shouldn't be a problem if we approach things with reasonable care, but I guess we don't always manage that. Even so, I still generally feel it's mainly our fault if it goes wrong.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Bing o said:
Why are they all oop north?
Because.... 
North has the dark "satanic mills" which built the UK.
It also has the hills.. breathtaking scenery which does remind me of home (und probably why I love it so much
. I would not choose to leave this. It's just awesome in any weather.) Then .. coastlines around tbe North Sea/Irish Sea north of Blackpool (Whitehaven ist rather steeped in history as the BBC programme COAST point out ) But the roads here. I do not need to go to tracks
The roads here inspire & educate. They challenge each day. They require honing und toning of dollops of COAST too. Steviebabes? He only go for the lucrative
. Fortunately for me me ME to be purrfectly bluntly self/self/self/selfish for once - he not target my fave roads By this I mean The tricksy ones
which really "tune up the driving skills" in a refined way.
You drive to COAST. You have to. On these roads - COAST skills matter just as much as they do when I drive in the big towns full of j-walking pedestrians clutching Handy phones und completely absorbed in the "yup yup yup - am crossing road now" meanlingless type/hear me/ see me notice me cos am a saddo anorak"
conversations. Sorry - but that what I see "height of such Handy (ab)use. I find it comical to see people walking together but not "together" as they yap on the Handy phone.
I see traces of an East German author who wrote about a man who grew a tail which wagged when pleased. It caught on. Soon all wanted a "tail" so there was a market for it as "fashion accessory" 
. The author was commenting on "sinful capitalism whims on ephemeral fashions ruling decisions" if you like.. but I think he had a point all the same. I cannot recall his name. It was a short story I just read once ages ago. I just happen to recall it when I think of Handy phones But not such a bizarre analogy perhaps. Speed cams - that will be found a "fad to make cash in our future's "history" as a camera cannot save a life. All it do: make too many slow up whilst they pass one
A talivan likewise . Then continue without COAST to hazards as we train to spot scams only Like Pavlov's dog
Measuring a speed does not take account of COAST skills nor handling fo vehicle. A human police officer may be able to differentiate with a truly professional judgement based on his training/experience. He could opt for lecture most acid which will hurt pride but not licence in some, but of course, not all cases.
I suspect our cars of the future will have sensors to detect anything too close to it. Will alert us to this. I would not want a car of the future to transport me as if I were in train or plane. I want to "pilot" my car if that the right word. Keep my humanity to control something by my own skills. I do this currently on motorbike/ bicycle/in my car.
On my bicycle? I manage 15 miles or so with stops to recoup stamina at one go. I try to work to improve on this one by the way. Pre-incident I manage 30 miles at average 20 mph without "feeling a pull on my stamina." Since - I have to work - really work
In car/on motorbike? Of course - no such problem
But I still want to be in charge of my vehicle as a human being. If we remove skills - we remove perhaps the determination to survive against all known elements. We then end our genre as result Just a thought. We are a species which thrive on "challenges" to survive. Read any research on pyschiatry/psychology - all "PEEER REVIEWED"
to appreciate this Interestingly, the A62 from Diggle to Huddersfield already has 6 (count 'em, SIX!) Speed Cameras, and that's only in the stretch between Marsden and Cowlersley.
So, either:
A) The cameras aren't working and something different needs to be done, or
B) All the accidents are happening between Marsden and Diggle
I'm aware of a couple of deaths up in the Marsden - Diggle bit there in the last couple of years, mainly involving motorbikes and trucks doing U-turns......
However, looking at the stats on http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshire.co.uk/fixed-... <insert number between 179 and 184 inclusive> the cameras have really made
all improvement since they were switched on in 1999.
So, either:
A) The cameras aren't working and something different needs to be done, or
B) All the accidents are happening between Marsden and Diggle
I'm aware of a couple of deaths up in the Marsden - Diggle bit there in the last couple of years, mainly involving motorbikes and trucks doing U-turns......
However, looking at the stats on http://www.safetycameraswestyorkshire.co.uk/fixed-... <insert number between 179 and 184 inclusive> the cameras have really made
all improvement since they were switched on in 1999.I've been driving the Buxton area a lot recently for errr....research..yes..research porpoises.
Lots of corners. Lots of ditches and stone walls. Most excellent.
Nasty if you crash.
But since I'm a 5* driver in a 5* car I have no fear. Inshallah.
Also pretty bizarre when the trunk roads are all 50s and the Bs all NSL.
Lots of corners. Lots of ditches and stone walls. Most excellent.
Nasty if you crash.
But since I'm a 5* driver in a 5* car I have no fear. Inshallah.
Also pretty bizarre when the trunk roads are all 50s and the Bs all NSL.
Them tourists from "down soufth" 
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