Warning to racers, its a long walk home.

[J500ANT]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/6237960...

So the Beeb says: Anyone who is caught speeding a second time, after having been warned, will have their car confiscated.

http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/Ne...

I'm guessing this is using some sort of "asbo" law, as opposed to those who just speed without having tinted windows?

[vonhosen]

J500ANT said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/6237960...

So the Beeb says: Anyone who is caught speeding a second time, after having been warned, will have their car confiscated.

http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/Ne...

I'm guessing this is using some sort of "asbo" law, as opposed to those who just speed without having tinted windows?

Sounds like lateral thinking with the use of Sec 165.

[BO55 VXR]

Do you get the car back though.... £20,000 car confiscated for two speeding offences, that's a bit harsh

[vonhosen]

BO55 VXR said:

Do you get the car back though.... £20,000 car confiscated for two speeding offences, that's a bit harsh

Yes at a cost.

[mmm-five]

So if we use the same lateral thinking, we can drive at 1077 miles an hour on a motorway without being done for speeding as long as we drive in the opposite direction to the Earth's rotation? I've not seen anything in law which states the speed is measured relative to the road's speed.

Edited by mmm-five on Monday 25th June 18:58

[s2art]

mmm-five said:

So if we use the same lateral thinking, we can drive at 930 miles an hour without being done for speeding as long as we drive in the opposite direction to the Earth's rotation? I've not seen anything in law which states the speed is measured relative to the road's speed.

This could be another conveyor thread!

[vonhosen]

mmm-five said:

So if we use the same lateral thinking, we can drive at 1077 miles an hour on a motorway without being done for speeding as long as we drive in the opposite direction to the Earth's rotation? I've not seen anything in law which states the speed is measured relative to the road's speed.

Edited by mmm-five on Monday 25th June 18:58

You can try.

Did I say Sec 165 meant Sec 59.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 25th June 19:16

[Puggit]

vonhosen said:

mmm-five said:

So if we use the same lateral thinking, we can drive at 1077 miles an hour on a motorway without being done for speeding as long as we drive in the opposite direction to the Earth's rotation? I've not seen anything in law which states the speed is measured relative to the road's speed.

Edited by mmm-five on Monday 25th June 18:58

You can try.

Did I say Sec 165 meant Sec 59.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 25th June 19:16

VH in legal slip-up shock!

[fluffnik]

vonhosen said:

BO55 VXR said:

Do you get the car back though.... £20,000 car confiscated for two speeding offences, that's a bit harsh

Yes at a cost.

It's an extortion racket.

The "cure" is worse than the problem; those behind S16559 need sacked.

Edit: glad to hear there isn't yet another law as pernicious as the wicked S59 - one is too many!

Edited by fluffnik on Monday 25th June 20:56

[djohnson]

vonhosen said:

mmm-five said:

So if we use the same lateral thinking, we can drive at 1077 miles an hour on a motorway without being done for speeding as long as we drive in the opposite direction to the Earth's rotation? I've not seen anything in law which states the speed is measured relative to the road's speed.

Edited by mmm-five on Monday 25th June 18:58

You can try.

Did I say Sec 165 meant Sec 59.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 25th June 19:16

Right that's it will whoever has kidnapped Von and is using his log in please stop it. The real Von would never have made this error.

[RaksP]

caught twice in one night or twice in three years?

[vonhosen]

RaksP said:

caught twice in one night or twice in three years?

12 months.

[WildCat]

BO55 VXR said:

Do you get the car back though.... £20,000 car confiscated for two speeding offences, that's a bit harsh

But they were not speeding. They were allegedly "racing" each other.

That make a difference. If speeding as a COAST style driver - then this would be way OTT. But if "racing" - that different. You do not race on public roads. You race on a race track

I do not condone the terminally stupid nor do I have the same compassion or nice decent human being regard for such idiots.

[Peter Ward]

BBC article said:

Anyone who is caught speeding a second time, after having been warned, will have their car confiscated.

In the past 10 months the force has seized more than 50 vehicles and says it is continuing with the policy in a bid to stamp out reckless driving.

Recently a driver had his Volkswagen Golf impounded after speeding along the Toneway in Taunton.

A-Spolice said:

Police are warning drivers racing on the force's roads that they risk a long walk home once caught by police.

One driver had his Volkswagen Golf seized after being caught racing on the Toneway on Tuesday night (June 19). The other motorist involved received an official warning, meaning if caught again in the next year, he will also have his car seized. Both drivers were reported for summons.

Last night (Wednesday, June 20), another motorist lost his car, a Ford Escort, when he was one of three caught racing across Priory Bridge Road car park. The other two drivers received official warnings and all three have been reported for summons.

Inspector Barry Thomas, based at Taunton's Road Policing Unit, said: "These cases go to show that officers will not hesitate to make use of the powers we have to immediately seize vehicles from people caught driving dangerously, carelessly or inconsiderately.

"Across the force, we have seized 54 vehicles in the past ten months, all from people who have been officially warned, but failed to heed that warning.

"Racing in this way is totally reckless and the speed and way in which they are driving means they are not only risking their own lives, but are also putting other people in danger."

So it seems it's to do with racing not speeding. Trust the BBC to put the "speeding" spin on it. I do wonder, though, why someone would be fined and given points for a minor speeding infringement while racing/reckless driving would attract only a warning for first offence? I would much rather have those things reversed.

Great name for a road, "Toneway". Is that in honour of our ex-prime minister? I guess we've got enough Nelson Mandela Parkways now.

Edited by Peter Ward on Tuesday 26th June 08:59

[GreenV8S]

There's a worrying grey area though, exactly what do you have to do to be deemed racing? Two cars pulling away from the lights briskly are racing? Or a very fast car pulling away normally and a very slow car being thrashed trying to keep up? IMO this sort of arbitrary power is dangerous and should be kept for times when the public are in clear and immediate danger that can't be prevented by normal legal processes, and from the confiscation rates being reported I'm not sure that is actually the case here.

[NobleGuy]

Yes indeed. Usual crap from councils who don't think about the real world. It seems you can have your car impounded on the basis of the opinion of an individual with frankly probably lower than average intelligence. What happened to being charged and going to court and then following the process from there? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter in any way shape or form of street racing, however the powers being given to these dubious individuals is really worrying.

[SplatSpeed]

sec 59 is supposed to be used where other legislation dosn't apply

ther is an offence of racing and also speeding!!!!

[SS2.]

SplatSpeed said:

sec 59 is supposed to be used where other legislation dosn't apply

there is an offence of racing and also speeding!!!!

It would be easy to be cynical and suggest that the evidence gathering process is rather less onerous for a Section 59 seizure than it would be for proving a racing or speeding offence..

[saxmund]

Is this seizure by police absolute, or does it have to be ratified as a result of you being found guilty in a court of law?

Edited by saxmund on Tuesday 26th June 12:48

[SS2.]

saxmund said:

..does it have to be ratified as a result of you being found guilty in a court of law?

No, not at all.

Section 59 Police Reform Act 2002