Major pile-up on A20, 40 vehicles, one dead
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It never ceases to amaze me how many people in adverse weather conditions still continue without any, or at best meagre, lighting displayed. Undoubtedly they may well be within the legal speed limit but still suicidal nonetheless. Mind you the reverse situation baffles me where in perfectly clear conditions there are those who continually use their front, sometimes rear, foglights. Welcome to the world of the braindead.
Phil
Phil
xyyman said:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in adverse weather conditions still continue without any, or at best meagre, lighting displayed. Undoubtedly they may well be within the legal speed limit but still suicidal nonetheless. Mind you the reverse situation baffles me where in perfectly clear conditions there are those who continually use their front, sometimes rear, foglights. Welcome to the world of the braindead.
Phil
I agree with you totally Phil. There is a stretch of road in South Wales that is busy during peak periods namely the A470 between Cardiff and Merthyr Tydfil. The road although busy would normally be fine then, the weather changes to heavy rain and the likes and it turns these subnormal drivers into complete and utter idiots. You can guarantee an accident in such conditions simply because the motorist don't adjust to the conditions. It really does pizz you off. I am convinced there are motorists who turn their spotlights on in sunny conditions in the belief that their light will reflect the sun back out of their eyes. Buy a pair of sunglasses morons.Phil
It happened a few years ago on this road as well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4564439.st...
Here is the news report for the latest incident.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/62...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4564439.st...
Here is the news report for the latest incident.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/62...
Some daft people around in bad weather. 
I wonder what the police driver involved in this will say. 
He can hardly say "too fast for conditions" without incriminating himself.
I suspect the deluge combined with the fog - I've driven in similar up here. You really cannot see anything. Not a lot you can do either. If you stop, someone could run into you. If you continue you are in constant danger of hitting something or someone. I am sure von will say "stay at home"
Yeah - if it's like that when me and Wildy are at home, we snuggle up under the duvet.
But sometimes you can be out and a weather front rolls in and just catches you out. Last time it happened - I decided to break one law in the interests of safety as despite all fog lights a-blazin, still could not be sure. So I gave intermittent "toot-pips" of the horn every 10 minutes or so. Not legal - but it made me feel a bit safer all the same at the time.
I wonder what the police driver involved in this will say. He can hardly say "too fast for conditions" without incriminating himself.I suspect the deluge combined with the fog - I've driven in similar up here. You really cannot see anything. Not a lot you can do either. If you stop, someone could run into you. If you continue you are in constant danger of hitting something or someone.
I am sure von will say "stay at home"Yeah - if it's like that when me and Wildy are at home, we snuggle up under the duvet.
But sometimes you can be out and a weather front rolls in and just catches you out. Last time it happened - I decided to break one law in the interests of safety as despite all fog lights a-blazin, still could not be sure. So I gave intermittent "toot-pips" of the horn every 10 minutes or so. Not legal - but it made me feel a bit safer all the same at the time. My bet is the press tag line will be "Drivers going too fast for the conditions" as per usual.
It never ceases to amaze me that out of all the so called 'safe' drivers there are supposed to be 'out there' very few actually consider slowing down to be safe when faced with heavy rain/fog/snow/ice or any combination of inclement weather.
Fog lights seem to be used as for decoration purposes and illuminated in clear conditions as some sort of 'street cred' emblem, yet they are 'forgotten' when the weather turns bad and they are actually NEEDED.
Dipped headlights in fog/etc are a minimum requirement in order to see and BE SEEN, yet how many travel with only sidelights illuminated...or worse no lights at all?
Then you get the numpties who think full beam is gonna help them see further in fog and end up back ending someone because they can't see past the wall of light the combination of full beam and fog has built!
Whilst I'm in rant mode (
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Driving in fog...why do many not feel the use of windscreen wipers beneficial? For crying out loud...you are in fact driving through LOW CLOUD...a cloud needs moisture to form...fog deposits a thin film of moisture on the windscreen this can build up almost unnoticed until your visibility is reduced to perhaps half of what it could be if only you thought to use the wipers.
Bloody idiots!
rant over
It never ceases to amaze me that out of all the so called 'safe' drivers there are supposed to be 'out there' very few actually consider slowing down to be safe when faced with heavy rain/fog/snow/ice or any combination of inclement weather.
Fog lights seem to be used as for decoration purposes and illuminated in clear conditions as some sort of 'street cred' emblem, yet they are 'forgotten' when the weather turns bad and they are actually NEEDED.
Dipped headlights in fog/etc are a minimum requirement in order to see and BE SEEN, yet how many travel with only sidelights illuminated...or worse no lights at all?
Then you get the numpties who think full beam is gonna help them see further in fog and end up back ending someone because they can't see past the wall of light the combination of full beam and fog has built!
Whilst I'm in rant mode (
)Driving in fog...why do many not feel the use of windscreen wipers beneficial? For crying out loud...you are in fact driving through LOW CLOUD...a cloud needs moisture to form...fog deposits a thin film of moisture on the windscreen this can build up almost unnoticed until your visibility is reduced to perhaps half of what it could be if only you thought to use the wipers.
Bloody idiots!
rant over
Mad Moggie2 said:
Some daft people around in bad weather. I wonder what the police driver involved in this will say. He can hardly say "too fast for conditions" without incriminating himself.
Another news report said they were on scene with fire and rescue and were then hit by other vehicles. I wonder what the police driver involved in this will say. He can hardly say "too fast for conditions" without incriminating himself.i'm not surprised there was an accident. I was on a day trip to france and on the way there it was rain and fog and on the way back, after the accident had happened, it was raining harder dark and with fog. It was truly terrible driving conditions; poor visibility, slick roads and everyone driving too close.
the journey home made me realise how bad our main roads are, with poor lighting, faded road lines and inneffective cats eyes.
the journey home made me realise how bad our main roads are, with poor lighting, faded road lines and inneffective cats eyes.
TPS said:
Mad Moggie2 said:
Some daft people around in bad weather. I wonder what the police driver involved in this will say. He can hardly say "too fast for conditions" without incriminating himself.
Another news report said they were on scene with fire and rescue and were then hit by other vehicles. I wonder what the police driver involved in this will say. He can hardly say "too fast for conditions" without incriminating himself. Should have checked out other reports. 
johno_78 said:
i'm not surprised there was an accident. I was on a day trip to france and on the way there it was rain and fog and on the way back, after the accident had happened, it was raining harder dark and with fog. It was truly terrible driving conditions; poor visibility, slick roads and everyone driving too close.
the journey home made me realise how bad our main roads are, with poor lighting, faded road lines and inneffective cats eyes.
Black skies here. Why I'm not on a golf course the journey home made me realise how bad our main roads are, with poor lighting, faded road lines and inneffective cats eyes.
You're spot on about faded road markings and cats eyes.
It's everywhere I think. I wonder how many KSI down to this
I'd say Cumbria councils have a lot to answer for too with potholes stil unrepaired weeks after reporting them, fading road markings and cats eyes which need replacing urgently.
And yes - people do drive closer than they should. That's why me and Wildy bring COAST into every single post if we can
as COAST actually creates better "compliance" to a lolly or a choice of a safe speed Wipers in fog. So obvious given the dirt and damp on the windscreen. Why on earth people fail to use common sense is one of life's little mysteries.
Perhaps it's because of Nanny State. They expect her to tell them to these days
instead of using initiative or basic common sense 
This accident has just been on the local BBC news. Shows the wrecked police car which is alongside an equally wrecked fire engine, and reporter said they collided on route to the accidents, but of course that report could easily be wrong.
What got me was the MP asking for the road to be upgraded to motorway standard. That really won;t help in last nights crash, which quite simply was caused by people driving too fast for the conditions. Those interviewed who had been involved all said they had to stop suddenly and didn't see it until too late, although those interviewed were all lucky as managed to squeeze alongside other vehicles without hitting them!
What got me was the MP asking for the road to be upgraded to motorway standard. That really won;t help in last nights crash, which quite simply was caused by people driving too fast for the conditions. Those interviewed who had been involved all said they had to stop suddenly and didn't see it until too late, although those interviewed were all lucky as managed to squeeze alongside other vehicles without hitting them!
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