double yellows q?
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dickyf

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807 posts

256 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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what is the law relating to double yellows? do they have to have a clear start and end to be valid?

Timsta

2,779 posts

277 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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yes They need the T's on the ends. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to post a link to the regs.

Gafferjim

1,337 posts

296 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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Don't think so, if they're there, then they're there!
They do have to go through the proceedure of notice of prohibition, prior to being able to fine anyone for parking on them. This is 99% of the time done well before the lines are painted, but now and again there's the odd one that doesn't follow proceedure, and eggs are caught squarely in the mush by councils when it comes to light.
There are also the oddball "wins" when a patch of road (containing yellow lines) has been repaired and resurfaced, thus leaving a patch without lines, the authorities will fight that the prohibition order still stands and it is displayed on the sign, although the lines are actually missing.

Getting down to yellow lines and there meaning, ALWAYS check the plate on the post.
ANY yellow line along the roadside is a "Parking/waiting restriction" There are basically 3 sorts, ie.....single dashed line, single solid line, & double solid line.
The middle one of the 3 (single solid) means no parking/waitng in *The working day* that could mean anything similar to 9am to 5pm etc. (whetever the working day is around there)
The "stronger" of the 3 restrictions (Double solid) means *more than the working day* and could be "All times" or "8am to 8pm" etc.
The lesser of the 3,the dashed line, is still a parking/waiting prohibition, but means *less than the working day* that can mean anything from limited time tp park, ie. 1 hour, or no parking between peek periods, or even just on certain days.
So it always pays to check the plate on the post!

PS. Learnt all this MANY years ago for my HGV test.
And the same applies to the lines over the curbs, but they relate to Loading.

Edited by Gafferjim on Tuesday 3rd July 14:23

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

275 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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For a DYL there has to be a Traffic Regulation Order which will set out the extent in metres its length.

A prohibition has to be signed in accordance with what is stated in Traffic Signs and General Direction 2002 as to size and colour etc.
If not then the DYL do not conform and arguement that no offence committed.

The sign for DYL under the TSGD is Diagram 1018.1 which does had a T bar at the start and finish.

dvd

Timsta

2,779 posts

277 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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Thanks, DVD as always, that's the one.

The Griffalo

72,863 posts

270 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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Gafferjim said:
Don't think so, if they're there, then they're there!
nono Any gaps in them or missing signeage and you are off on a technicality yes

As they sow, so shall they reap.

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

275 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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Courts and Parking Adjudicators note the ' De minimus' rule.

It hasn't to be a minor deficiency.

dvd

The Griffalo

72,863 posts

270 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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Dwight VanDriver said:
Courts and Parking Adjudicators note the ' De minimus' rule.

It hasn't to be a minor deficiency.

dvd
Do they? Oh rats.

What about the explicit wording "Acceptable variations: none"?

rude-boy

22,227 posts

264 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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So when parking at the end of a set of DYLs would you be guilty if your front or rear of the car over hung the DYLs, yet the front/rear wheel was not over them?

I only ask as I checked it with a Warden once when I did this and he said it was fine and certainly didn’t give me a ticket once I was out of sight. On the other hand a mate of mine got a ticket for doing the same thing last week.

Timsta

2,779 posts

277 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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rude-boy said:
So when parking at the end of a set of DYLs would you be guilty if your front or rear of the car over hung the DYLs, yet the front/rear wheel was not over them?

I only ask as I checked it with a Warden once when I did this and he said it was fine and certainly didn’t give me a ticket once I was out of sight. On the other hand a mate of mine got a ticket for doing the same thing last week.
You just had a nice warden. yikes

7db

6,060 posts

261 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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Dwight VanDriver said:
Courts and Parking Adjudicators note the ' De minimus' rule.
It's £50 I don't call that a trifle. That's a misapplication of the principle.

jshell

12,106 posts

236 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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There was a case in Edinburgh reported a couple of years on the BBC news website about a guy who was painting over the DYL's outside his house and then parking his car - once the paint dried, of course. See link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/296231...

J

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

291 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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The Griffalo said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
Courts and Parking Adjudicators note the ' De minimus' rule.

It hasn't to be a minor deficiency.

dvd
Do they? Oh rats.

What about the explicit wording "Acceptable variations: none"?
Didn't work for me at appeal. I was told the missing T bar didn't make the whole of the line unenforcible and councils can't be expected to maintain them at all times! FFS I have to watch my speedo at all times!

Boosted.

Edited by Boosted LS1 on Tuesday 3rd July 19:03

Onz

507 posts

237 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2007
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jshell said:
There was a case in Edinburgh reported a couple of years on the BBC news website about a guy who was painting over the DYL's outside his house and then parking his car - once the paint dried, of course. See link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/296231...

J
"Malicious Mischief" hehe Can you not also be prosecuted for "Furious Driving" sure I heard that somewhere before?!