How much do you trust police in the EU?
Discussion
Would you trust the police in:
Austria and Belgium with your name?
Bulgaria, Estonia, Hungary and Italy with your bank and account number?
Cyprus and the Czech Republic with your DNA?
Denmark and France with your dietary preferences?
Finland with your home address?
Greece with your travel payment details?
Hungary and Latvia with your personal email address?
Ireland, Lithuania and Malta with your derived religious preference?
Luxembourg and Germany with your home telephone number?
The Netherlands, Poland and Portugal with your office telephone number?
Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia with your credit card details?
Spain and Sweden with your mobile telephone number?
From 2010, the above situations will apply if you travel at least once out of - and possibly (read "probably" ) also only within - the EU by air.
The EU has announced plans for an air passenger database designed to enable law enforcement agencies to track all people entering and leaving Europe as well as between member states. The security measure, which will likely also include collecting information on air travellers within the EU, will be the centrepiece of a raft of Brussels anti-terror legislation planned for the autumn.
All airlines flying in European airspace will be required, as early as 2010, to hand over passenger name records to national security agencies, information will then be shared across the EU.
The information, contained in electronic booking forms held on central reservation systems, will include the names of all travellers, all contact details, telephone numbers, addresses, emails, payment information, bank numbers and credit card details. Data also includes sensitive information such as dietary or menu choices that can reveal a passenger's race or religion.
A European database would, say EU security officials, have provided quick information on the movements and associates of those suspected to be Britain's latest Islamist attackers. [Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?]
Franco Frattini, the European justice and security commissioner, will table new legislation to set up a co-ordinated network of PNR databases across the EU's 27 countries in October, for discussion at a meeting of home affairs ministers on Nov 8.
He stressed that, as well as logging the journeys of terrorist suspects from outside Europe, the tracking system would pick up radicalised European Muslims travelling from the EU to countries such as Pakistan. [Conveniently failing to mention that hundreds of thousands of completely innocent (at least of terrorist activities ... apart from speeding) passengers will be tracked as well!]
But, there again, if you've nothing to hide ...
Streaky
Austria and Belgium with your name?
Bulgaria, Estonia, Hungary and Italy with your bank and account number?
Cyprus and the Czech Republic with your DNA?
Denmark and France with your dietary preferences?
Finland with your home address?
Greece with your travel payment details?
Hungary and Latvia with your personal email address?
Ireland, Lithuania and Malta with your derived religious preference?
Luxembourg and Germany with your home telephone number?
The Netherlands, Poland and Portugal with your office telephone number?
Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia with your credit card details?
Spain and Sweden with your mobile telephone number?
From 2010, the above situations will apply if you travel at least once out of - and possibly (read "probably" ) also only within - the EU by air.
The EU has announced plans for an air passenger database designed to enable law enforcement agencies to track all people entering and leaving Europe as well as between member states. The security measure, which will likely also include collecting information on air travellers within the EU, will be the centrepiece of a raft of Brussels anti-terror legislation planned for the autumn.
All airlines flying in European airspace will be required, as early as 2010, to hand over passenger name records to national security agencies, information will then be shared across the EU.
The information, contained in electronic booking forms held on central reservation systems, will include the names of all travellers, all contact details, telephone numbers, addresses, emails, payment information, bank numbers and credit card details. Data also includes sensitive information such as dietary or menu choices that can reveal a passenger's race or religion.
A European database would, say EU security officials, have provided quick information on the movements and associates of those suspected to be Britain's latest Islamist attackers. [Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?]
Franco Frattini, the European justice and security commissioner, will table new legislation to set up a co-ordinated network of PNR databases across the EU's 27 countries in October, for discussion at a meeting of home affairs ministers on Nov 8.
He stressed that, as well as logging the journeys of terrorist suspects from outside Europe, the tracking system would pick up radicalised European Muslims travelling from the EU to countries such as Pakistan. [Conveniently failing to mention that hundreds of thousands of completely innocent (at least of terrorist activities ... apart from speeding) passengers will be tracked as well!]
But, there again, if you've nothing to hide ...
Streaky
streaky said:
The information...will include...addresses, emails, payment information, bank numbers and credit card details.
There goes any form of ID security you ever had!
Identity fraud not a big issue?!? It soon will be, when some enterprising Mafioso (or E.European equivalent) bribes a few coppers to hand over tons of data...
Newsflash just in: Streaky has been caught simultaneously speeding in Denmark, robbing a bank in Slovakia, buying a car in London and having dinner in Milan with someone other than his wife. He refused to comment from his house in Edinburgh, his flat in Hamburg, and his villa in Spain, where he was also present.
Nothing to hide? Yeah right. Since when did the innocent have nothing to fear! For a start, everyone knows that the police in Italy love beating up the English for a laugh (as seen on TV, when they attacked stewards and such at matches). And the German and Spanish police - about as straight as their bribe loving Thai counterparts - but less honest.
Chrispy Porker said:
Dutch police have my office number.
I am hosting an exchange visit later in the year.
Should I be worried?
Well exactly!I am hosting an exchange visit later in the year.
Should I be worried?
Swedish plod have both my personal mobile number and the direct dial number to my car comms system.
Should I be doubly worried?
I know what you mean though Streaks!
As a side thought, out of all those countries and including UK which wasn't listed and should have been imo, which one has the worst record for selling and making data officially available?
Chrispy Porker said:
Should I be worried?
Only if you're afraid of telesales from tulip growers!
More seriously though CP, having such a large amount of data (esp. bank and c/card details) on such a distributed common database is asking for trouble. There's already plenty of cases of UK bank employees selling data and/or creating false accounts for immigrants/criminals.
And I'd suggest the UK is generally one of the more law-abiding countries in the EU (and certainly the police seem to be almost entirely above corruption...if there's any problem I'd suggest it's at the politicised top in the UK). But elsewhere...
.havoc said:
streaky said:
The information...will include...addresses, emails, payment information, bank numbers and credit card details.
There goes any form of ID security you ever had!
Identity fraud not a big issue?!? It soon will be, when some enterprising Mafioso (or E.European equivalent) bribes a few coppers to hand over tons of data...
Newsflash just in: Streaky has been caught simultaneously speeding in Denmark, robbing a bank in Slovakia, buying a car in London and having dinner in Milan with someone other than his wife. He refused to comment from his house in Edinburgh, his flat in Hamburg, and his villa in Spain, where he was also present.
That last is a lie.
Actually, he doesn't know.
But I thought we had a passport/driving licence to show who we are 
opcorn: (Actually driving licence photo has lettering DVLA all over the photo. It not exactly a clear mug-shot. It also get "lost in post". We know someone who had three "failed deliveries" The excuse was "once in post = out of their hands". They would not even listen to idea of special or recorderd/registered delivery either 
They now fear clones of driving licences out there now
So much for "security" then. Impose it on the innocent. Employ the terminally und fatally thick to administrate it. Sound about right?
opcorn: (Actually driving licence photo has lettering DVLA all over the photo. It not exactly a clear mug-shot. It also get "lost in post". We know someone who had three "failed deliveries" The excuse was "once in post = out of their hands". They would not even listen to idea of special or recorderd/registered delivery either They now fear clones of driving licences out there now So much for "security" then
. Impose it on the innocent. Employ the terminally und fatally thick to administrate it. Sound about right? WildCat said:
But I thought we had a passport/driving licence to show who we are opcorn: (Actually driving licence photo has lettering DVLA all over the photo. It not exactly a clear mug-shot. It also get "lost in post". We know someone who had three "failed deliveries" The excuse was "once in post = out of their hands". They would not even listen to idea of special or recorderd/registered delivery either They now fear clones of driving licences out there now
So much for "security" then. Impose it on the innocent. Employ the terminally und fatally thick to administrate it. Sound about right?
Now windy don't talk about plod like that opcorn: (Actually driving licence photo has lettering DVLA all over the photo. It not exactly a clear mug-shot. It also get "lost in post". We know someone who had three "failed deliveries" The excuse was "once in post = out of their hands". They would not even listen to idea of special or recorderd/registered delivery either They now fear clones of driving licences out there now So much for "security" then
. Impose it on the innocent. Employ the terminally und fatally thick to administrate it. Sound about right? 
Mojocvh said:
WildCat said:
But I thought we had a passport/driving licence to show who we are opcorn: (Actually driving licence photo has lettering DVLA all over the photo. It not exactly a clear mug-shot. It also get "lost in post". We know someone who had three "failed deliveries" The excuse was "once in post = out of their hands". They would not even listen to idea of special or recorderd/registered delivery either They now fear clones of driving licences out there now
So much for "security" then. Impose it on the innocent. Employ the terminally und fatally thick to administrate it. Sound about right?
Now windy don't talk about plod like that opcorn: (Actually driving licence photo has lettering DVLA all over the photo. It not exactly a clear mug-shot. It also get "lost in post". We know someone who had three "failed deliveries" The excuse was "once in post = out of their hands". They would not even listen to idea of special or recorderd/registered delivery either They now fear clones of driving licences out there now So much for "security" then
. Impose it on the innocent. Employ the terminally und fatally thick to administrate it. Sound about right? 
I not mean those nice policemen who get stuck on sharpest ridge on North Face of Eiger facing a sheer drop because of "them". I mean "them" , the faceless who have zero vision of reality but who impose their will by inventing nightmares to try to control everyone just to satisfy their control freakish ego. X8 Saggy said:
Why do they need your bank account details??
If this is really true( will look into it more)
then i will be setting up empty bank accounts to give them.
I travel alot though west and east europe.
That's fine. Set up those accounts, so they can launder a few million Euro's through it while you're not looking, then watch as Interpol put you on their most wanted list....If this is really true( will look into it more)
then i will be setting up empty bank accounts to give them.
I travel alot though west and east europe.
And Chrispy - your number will be proudly displayed in the bogs at the GrassHopper "cafe" (just over the road from the Centraal police station) as the British contact for anyone else who uses the stuff.....
It's all in the interests of making the world a safer place.
The the European Court of Human Rights tell us that we can't do this, and can't do that, and infringe the human rights of those people who plot to blow us off the face of the planet!
Bring back the Treason Act as it used to be. If time they started stretching a few necks, rather than putting them up in our "hotels" at vast expense.
thunderbelmont said:
X8 Saggy said:
Why do they need your bank account details??
If this is really true( will look into it more)
then i will be setting up empty bank accounts to give them.
I travel alot though west and east europe.
That's fine. Set up those accounts, so they can launder a few million Euro's through it while you're not looking, then watch as Interpol put you on their most wanted list....If this is really true( will look into it more)
then i will be setting up empty bank accounts to give them.
I travel alot though west and east europe.
And Chrispy - your number will be proudly displayed in the bogs at the GrassHopper "cafe" (just over the road from the Centraal police station) as the British contact for anyone else who uses the stuff.....
It's all in the interests of making the world a safer place.
The the European Court of Human Rights tell us that we can't do this, and can't do that, and infringe the human rights of those people who plot to blow us off the face of the planet!
Bring back the Treason Act as it used to be. If time they started stretching a few necks, rather than putting them up in our "hotels" at vast expense.
Anyone ringing for supplies of Morroccan Gold or whatever will be a bit disappointed.
Chrispy Porker said:
It's only a phone number.
Anyone ringing for supplies of Morroccan Gold or whatever will be a bit disappointed.
So no red leb then?Anyone ringing for supplies of Morroccan Gold or whatever will be a bit disappointed.
Pint of Heineken then.
Ain't it strange how you can go to Amsterdam, a bastion of European life, and order a PINT of beer! (well, 3/4 pint of beer, 1/4 of froth!)
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