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a question for the BIB;
how much do bibs start on? does this increase year on year? What about your seniors? How much are they on? And what about those in specialist areas like drugs detectives?
what about if you are injured? do you get compensation? also is the pension scheme any good?
thanks for your help
how much do bibs start on? does this increase year on year? What about your seniors? How much are they on? And what about those in specialist areas like drugs detectives?
what about if you are injured? do you get compensation? also is the pension scheme any good?
thanks for your help
I'm not sure on the pension thing- But would really like to know because it is somewhat of a concern. I've seen a number of stories about convicted police officers "Losing their pensions" but it all seems a bit anecdotal. I can't see that the amount one paid in originally could be forfeited, shirley?!
vonhosen said:
Yes you may have all or part of your pension forfeited either permanently or temporarily (by the police authority) if you are convicted of certain offences.
Yes - that's what i've been told - now why - these blokes have done their job,why should their pensions be subjected to ridiculous rules ???Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 10th July 20:07
Who me said:
vonhosen said:
Yes you may have all or part of your pension forfeited either permanently or temporarily (by the police authority) if you are convicted of certain offences.
Yes - that's what i've been told - now why - these blokes have done their job,why should their pensions be subjected to ridiculous rules ???Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 10th July 20:07
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 10th July 20:16
vonhosen said:
Yes you may have all or part of your pension forfeited either permanently or temporarily (by the police authority) if you are convicted of certain offences.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 10th July 20:07
I know of now retired Super who used to pray his children never got into bother as it reflect on him und affect his pension possibly too. I think that one now relaxed. Are police on a "right good earner?" Overall - they have a fairly decent package. Lot in private sector have it rougher. Bit of myth exist that those in private sector have bestest deal. It depend on company policy/blue chip v. rogue employers further down the line. There also decent medium size businesses which try but cannot afford to offer more than a basic wage package too.
I admit I am lucky that I have nice job which give me nice work conditions. I did actually do some work to achieve this by poring over study books. My Papa supported me but got cross when I went into heavy debt to buy a fast motorbike
He just supported with meagrest subsistence to "teach me a lesson" (Lesson learned that fast machines eat away your money But 
me! They worth it ) But
I accept people not have same employer as I do. It does not mean that employer necessarily rogue but that he can only offer the basic legal requirement such as stakeholder pension & maternity/holiday rights. Public sector do have things a lot more generous I think in this respect. They feel hard done to but there are others much worse off in the private sector all the same. It not heaven out there you know. Ist a jungle where only fittest survive 
I think those levels of pay are pretty good actually. There are plenty of jobs out there that come with responsibility and / or risk that dont pay that well.
I doubt a nurse gets paid that much and the training and qualifications required are as high if not higher. Id imagine risk of assault is fairly high on a weekend in A+E too!
edit: yes I know nurses are generally public sector! cant think of a private sector example off top of head!
I doubt a nurse gets paid that much and the training and qualifications required are as high if not higher. Id imagine risk of assault is fairly high on a weekend in A+E too!
edit: yes I know nurses are generally public sector! cant think of a private sector example off top of head!
Edited by davido140 on Tuesday 10th July 21:07
Who me said:
Perhaps a serving officer would care to enlighten us on the terms attached to pension - have been told that pension is conditional on not getting into trouble.
Can you imagine any other job allowing that.
All of the Armed Forces pensions are conditional on continued good behaviour, there are frequent incidents of long serving service personnel f*#"ing up and losing their pension and gratuity.Can you imagine any other job allowing that.
Edited by shack55 on Tuesday 10th July 23:33
I'm a Met Copper so this info only relates to London Pay:
We get about 19K a year when training (18 weeks) and then onto about £26k. It rises incrementally around £800 - £1k a year plus pay rise (which they're trying to take off us
) After 4 years and aged 26 I'm on 31K flat rate.
Overtime is good, but generally working a rest day with less than 5 days notice doesn't happen as they're too well organised. On a very good month I can approach £3k take home pay. £2k is more normal though, particularly for PC's on 'core' team (i.e. answering their radios).
Other benefits include free travel - worth about 4k a year to me for my commute.
The pension is one of the best around. I'm lucky enough to be on the old pension scheme. It's 30 years, and you build up to 2/3rds of your final salary. The first 20 years are worth 1/60th of your salary each, and the last ten are worth 2/60ths each adding up to 40/60ths or 2/3rds after 30 years. Only bent coppers need worry about their pension. It will only be stripped in serious disciplinary cases or where you're found guilty of criminal offences. On retirement you can opt to reduce your pension in favour of a lump sum, but it's not sensible to do this as you're being bought out cheap. The maximum lump sum is about 80K I think (a multiple of your final salary) but you can take any amount - could be useful just to pay the last of your mortgage or something. I don't know too much about the new pension scheme, and you won't find me touching it with a barge pole. The old pension costs us 11% a month, but apparently to buy the same benefits on the open market would cost you 37% of your wage.
"Drugs squad" etc don't make much more - DC's (detectives) get a clothing allowance which is £40 a month or something silly, and the pleasure of working in an office. Most of the money on squads is earnt as overtime, and they can be very well paid. The work life balance is well out of whack for many of them - there's a reason every detective on TV is either single or divorced. They all are in real life too!
Regarding injuries - If you are seriously injured then you get full pay for 6 months and half pay for six after that, although most people pay into a scheme that bolsters your pay back up to full for the 2nd six months. f you are injured on duty you can get compensation, obviusly dependant on what's happened. I have to say this was not a major "selling point" of the job to me though.
We get about 19K a year when training (18 weeks) and then onto about £26k. It rises incrementally around £800 - £1k a year plus pay rise (which they're trying to take off us
) After 4 years and aged 26 I'm on 31K flat rate.Overtime is good, but generally working a rest day with less than 5 days notice doesn't happen as they're too well organised. On a very good month I can approach £3k take home pay. £2k is more normal though, particularly for PC's on 'core' team (i.e. answering their radios).
Other benefits include free travel - worth about 4k a year to me for my commute.
The pension is one of the best around. I'm lucky enough to be on the old pension scheme. It's 30 years, and you build up to 2/3rds of your final salary. The first 20 years are worth 1/60th of your salary each, and the last ten are worth 2/60ths each adding up to 40/60ths or 2/3rds after 30 years. Only bent coppers need worry about their pension. It will only be stripped in serious disciplinary cases or where you're found guilty of criminal offences. On retirement you can opt to reduce your pension in favour of a lump sum, but it's not sensible to do this as you're being bought out cheap. The maximum lump sum is about 80K I think (a multiple of your final salary) but you can take any amount - could be useful just to pay the last of your mortgage or something. I don't know too much about the new pension scheme, and you won't find me touching it with a barge pole. The old pension costs us 11% a month, but apparently to buy the same benefits on the open market would cost you 37% of your wage.
"Drugs squad" etc don't make much more - DC's (detectives) get a clothing allowance which is £40 a month or something silly, and the pleasure of working in an office. Most of the money on squads is earnt as overtime, and they can be very well paid. The work life balance is well out of whack for many of them - there's a reason every detective on TV is either single or divorced. They all are in real life too!
Regarding injuries - If you are seriously injured then you get full pay for 6 months and half pay for six after that, although most people pay into a scheme that bolsters your pay back up to full for the 2nd six months. f you are injured on duty you can get compensation, obviusly dependant on what's happened. I have to say this was not a major "selling point" of the job to me though.
Edited by WeirdNeville on Wednesday 11th July 01:16
FishFace said:
esselte said:
FishFace said:
Compared to private sector the pay is awful for the amount of work and responsibility.
Which particular part of private sector are you comparing it to? I don't see 30k as "awful"Edited by esselte on Tuesday 10th July 20:34
A reasonable level manager at Tesco will earn more.
Fishface said:
A Sergeant can literally makes life and death decisions and has to do the 'management' thing.
Not every second of the day. Not in same way as a bloke in the armed forces. He not deciding whether to shoot someone after all so as to stay alive each day. Thnakfully we do not get terrorist attack 24/7 despite the best spin of nightmare poliitics outside USA I would also hope that whoever make decision to shoot me for carrying something from B&Q would at least be of toppest level of course 
A teacher on the chalk face makes a decision which affect a young student's prospect to end of his or her life span. That ist "life/death decision" if you like. Teachers are not earning as much as cops per their unions either
A fireman will make a life/death decision when fighting a fire. They also claim they on bad wicket compared to police pay packages
Nurse's decision each day can also be matter of life und death. She miss something? Affects patient.
Junior doctors up to consultants - ditto.
As for Tesco Manager? but his or her decision can affect how well that store trades all the same.
Fishface] said:
A starter Constable earns about £11 and hour and see about £8 after tax and pension, regardless of the unsocial hours they work. A shelf stacker in unsocial hours will nearly earn as much.
Nurses earn less. Their hours are not sociable either. They cannot arrest a thug attacking them either. Junior medics not on right good pay either. Mad Doc's hours when he first qualified were punitive as well. He had to study on top of that too. As did I myself. Them exams were not that easy either.
Teachers? Conditions so bad - they leave profession very quickly.
WeirdNeville said:
I'm a Met Copper so this info only relates to London Pay:
We get about 19K a year when training (18 weeks) and then onto about £26k. It rises incrementally around £800 - £1k a year plus pay rise (which they're trying to take off us ) After 4 years and aged 26 I'm on 31K flat rate.
Overtime is good, but generally working a rest day with less than 5 days notice doesn't happen as they're too well organised. On a very good month I can approach £3k take home pay. £2k is more normal though, particularly for PC's on 'core' team (i.e. answering their radios).
Other benefits include free travel - worth about 4k a year to me for my commute.
The pension is one of the best around. I'm lucky enough to be on the old pension scheme. It's 30 years, and you build up to 2/3rds of your final salary. The first 20 years are worth 1/60th of your salary each, and the last ten are worth 2/60ths each adding up to 40/60ths or 2/3rds after 30 years. Only bent coppers need worry about their pension. It will only be stripped in serious disciplinary cases or where you're found guilty of criminal offences. On retirement you can opt to reduce your pension in favour of a lump sum, but it's not sensible to do this as you're being bought out cheap. The maximum lump sum is about 80K I think (a multiple of your final salary) but you can take any amount - could be useful just to pay the last of your mortgage or something. I don't know too much about the new pension scheme, and you won't find me touching it with a barge pole. The old pension costs us 11% a month, but apparently to buy the same benefits on the open market would cost you 37% of your wage.
"Drugs squad" etc don't make much more - DC's (detectives) get a clothing allowance which is £40 a month or something silly, and the pleasure of working in an office. Most of the money on squads is earnt as overtime, and they can be very well paid. The work life balance is well out of whack for many of them - there's a reason every detective on TV is either single or divorced. They all are in real life too!
Regarding injuries - If you are seriously injured then you get full pay for 6 months and half pay for six after that, although most people pay into a scheme that bolsters your pay back up to full for the 2nd six months. f you are injured on duty you can get compensation, obviusly dependant on what's happened. I have to say this was not a major "selling point" of the job to me though.
Liebchen - you set record straight here. I think your London weighting about same as the weighing given to teachers percentagewise on top of agreed paid deals per unions etc.We get about 19K a year when training (18 weeks) and then onto about £26k. It rises incrementally around £800 - £1k a year plus pay rise (which they're trying to take off us
) After 4 years and aged 26 I'm on 31K flat rate.Overtime is good, but generally working a rest day with less than 5 days notice doesn't happen as they're too well organised. On a very good month I can approach £3k take home pay. £2k is more normal though, particularly for PC's on 'core' team (i.e. answering their radios).
Other benefits include free travel - worth about 4k a year to me for my commute.
The pension is one of the best around. I'm lucky enough to be on the old pension scheme. It's 30 years, and you build up to 2/3rds of your final salary. The first 20 years are worth 1/60th of your salary each, and the last ten are worth 2/60ths each adding up to 40/60ths or 2/3rds after 30 years. Only bent coppers need worry about their pension. It will only be stripped in serious disciplinary cases or where you're found guilty of criminal offences. On retirement you can opt to reduce your pension in favour of a lump sum, but it's not sensible to do this as you're being bought out cheap. The maximum lump sum is about 80K I think (a multiple of your final salary) but you can take any amount - could be useful just to pay the last of your mortgage or something. I don't know too much about the new pension scheme, and you won't find me touching it with a barge pole. The old pension costs us 11% a month, but apparently to buy the same benefits on the open market would cost you 37% of your wage.
"Drugs squad" etc don't make much more - DC's (detectives) get a clothing allowance which is £40 a month or something silly, and the pleasure of working in an office. Most of the money on squads is earnt as overtime, and they can be very well paid. The work life balance is well out of whack for many of them - there's a reason every detective on TV is either single or divorced. They all are in real life too!
Regarding injuries - If you are seriously injured then you get full pay for 6 months and half pay for six after that, although most people pay into a scheme that bolsters your pay back up to full for the 2nd six months. f you are injured on duty you can get compensation, obviusly dependant on what's happened. I have to say this was not a major "selling point" of the job to me though.
Edited by WeirdNeville on Wednesday 11th July 01:16
I know that there are call locally to give some kind of assistance to teachers here (not sure about police) as property here becoming overpriced too. Rest of UK also getting as dear as London from the current estate-agent/property developer led booms which make it hard for the kids to get their own homes.
But do you know what the big wake up call as regards what others are perhaps earning?
A glance in the vacancies advertised in professional magazines & newspapers for basic jobs which require a professional qualification or trainee to obtain these - tell you that all not bowl of cherries out in private "utopia".
I keep feet on floor & being a curious cat - I do look go "exploring" to find out what make other people tick
The police salaries seem pretty good to me when compared to other public sector employees.
My wife is a senior nurse (lead cancer nurse in a district general hospital) who is almost at the top of her profession. She has over 20 years experience, a science based degree and is now studying (as it is expected) to obtain either an MSc or an MBA. She has daily involvement with life or death decisions and spends much of her clinical time telling patients that they’re not going to be here next year! (Pretty stressful by anyone’s standards!) She’s been assaulted, sworn at and generally treated very badly (mainly by patients relatives), all while being told by the government that the health service has never had it so good! This is all done for less than £36k per year. Oh, and at her level, she doesn’t get paid overtime!
My wife is a senior nurse (lead cancer nurse in a district general hospital) who is almost at the top of her profession. She has over 20 years experience, a science based degree and is now studying (as it is expected) to obtain either an MSc or an MBA. She has daily involvement with life or death decisions and spends much of her clinical time telling patients that they’re not going to be here next year! (Pretty stressful by anyone’s standards!) She’s been assaulted, sworn at and generally treated very badly (mainly by patients relatives), all while being told by the government that the health service has never had it so good! This is all done for less than £36k per year. Oh, and at her level, she doesn’t get paid overtime!
FishFace said:
esselte said:
FishFace said:
Compared to private sector the pay is awful for the amount of work and responsibility.
Which particular part of private sector are you comparing it to? I don't see 30k as "awful"Edited by esselte on Tuesday 10th July 20:34
A reasonable level manager at Tesco will earn more. A Sergeant can literally makes life and death decisions and has to do the 'management' thing.
A starter Constable earns about £11 and hour and see about £8 after tax and pension, regardless of the unsocial hours they work. A shelf stacker in unsocial hours will nearly earn as much.
FishFace said:
A reasonable level manager at Tesco will earn more.
Strange comparison - the Tesco manager's job will basically be like a personnel officer - managing loads of people, which is just a nightmare. And I'll bet the average length of service for a Tesco manager is pretty short, it's not a job for life (well, until fabulous retirement package at 50) like the Police.FishFace said:
esselte said:
FishFace said:
Compared to private sector the pay is awful for the amount of work and responsibility.
Which particular part of private sector are you comparing it to? I don't see 30k as "awful"Edited by esselte on Tuesday 10th July 20:34
A reasonable level manager at Tesco will earn more. A Sergeant can literally makes life and death decisions and has to do the 'management' thing.
A starter Constable earns about £11 and hour and see about £8 after tax and pension, regardless of the unsocial hours they work. A shelf stacker in unsocial hours will nearly earn as much.
I think not!
Lower level management in retail earn a pittance - a lot less than a starter constable. If they were in charge of 50 people or more or be a mangager or deputy manager of a whole store only then would they have wages comparable to the police - but then they have the responibility of a multi-million pound turnover store and maybe 100 people.
On a similar thread a while ago we worked out what a 'private sector' worker would have to contribute to a pension scheme to be able to retire at the same age on the same benefits and it was an insane amount - and this did not include the fact that to get into a private sector job which paid that much anyway you couldnt start at 18, you would need another 3 years for a degree...
We have a free market in jobs, each have their benefits and each have their downsides - I am sure that these are relative in the police too, otherwise no-one would want to do it!
JustinP1 said:
On a similar thread a while ago we worked out what a 'private sector' worker would have to contribute to a pension scheme to be able to retire at the same age on the same benefits and it was an insane amount
I work in banking, a lot of the companies won't even give you a pension until you hit 25 - I''ve got a mate who's been working since he was 16 for the same company - only just started paying into his pension after 9 years service!!Forums | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff