Question For Vonhosen And His "Ilk"

[GPSHead]

Assuming no BiB/ambulance/fire vehicles, is it acceptable to sit in the outside lane at the speed limit, and refuse to move over, when there's nothing to the left?

If not, why not? After all, no-one should be going above the speed limit.

(I know how I and the majority of PHers would answer this, I just wonder how "others" would....)

[Bing o]

read the Highway Code - keep left until overtaking.

[JustinP1]

GPSHead said:

Assuming no BiB/ambulance/fire vehicles, is it acceptable to sit in the outside lane at the speed limit, and refuse to move over, when there's nothing to the left?

If not, why not? After all, no-one should be going above the speed limit.

(I know how I and the majority of PHers would answer this, I just wonder how "others" would....)

I think the majority of PHers would answer that the way the lanes should be used is clear:

Keep left unless overtaking!

Speed does not make relevance to that. (Pedant-proof suit firmly zipped up...)

[Brett928S2]

Hi

Ummm ..just on this point..I "THOUGHT" the Highway code was "ADVISORY"....??

On the main point....I always stay in the left hand lane...thats the one next to hard shoulder...for those who think travelling in the centre lane at 70 is any better when left lane is empty...

All the best Brett

[vonhosen]

GPSHead said:

Assuming no BiB/ambulance/fire vehicles, is it acceptable to sit in the outside lane at the speed limit, and refuse to move over, when there's nothing to the left?

If not, why not? After all, no-one should be going above the speed limit.

(I know how I and the majority of PHers would answer this, I just wonder how "others" would....)

You don't know what the other vehicles behind may be, Police surveillance vehicles, SOCA etc etc.

As a simple guideline keep left unless overtaking.
Don't hold up others unnecessarily if there is a space to your left, because you don't know who they are.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 24th July 23:01

[Boosted LS1]

Just pass on the inside and get on with it so long as it's safe.

The number of people sitting in lane 2 or 3 is mind boggling. They are in fantasy land. I went to london a few weeks ago and it was a specs area. Bib came up behind with blue lights flashing. I flashed the guy in front and moved over. Bib made no real progress because every car in front didn't see them. I was still behind them several miles down the road.

Boosted.

[i want an aero]

vonhosen said:

GPSHead said:

Assuming no BiB/ambulance/fire vehicles, is it acceptable to sit in the outside lane at the speed limit, and refuse to move over, when there's nothing to the left?

If not, why not? After all, no-one should be going above the speed limit.

(I know how I and the majority of PHers would answer this, I just wonder how "others" would....)

You don't know what the other vehicles behind may be, Police surveillance vehicles, SOCA etc etc.

As a simple guideline keep left unless overtaking.
Don't hold up others unnecessarily if there is a space to your left, because you don't know who they are.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 24th July 23:01

shame really because he chances are about as much as pigs flying, i travel all over the country folling football and see so many hato and a few unmarked. but all tomany mlh and olh it's a joke. please more traffic plod

[Zod]

vonhosen said:

GPSHead said:

Assuming no BiB/ambulance/fire vehicles, is it acceptable to sit in the outside lane at the speed limit, and refuse to move over, when there's nothing to the left?

If not, why not? After all, no-one should be going above the speed limit.

(I know how I and the majority of PHers would answer this, I just wonder how "others" would....)

You don't know what the other vehicles behind may be, Police surveillance vehicles, SOCA etc etc.

As a simple guideline keep left unless overtaking.
Don't hold up others unnecessarily if there is a space to your left, because you don't know who they are.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 24th July 23:01

all absolutely correct and I wish people would keep to it, but if there is no emergency vehicle behind the numpty in lane 3 with cruise control set to 70, whom is he holding up, given that we are not allowed to exceed 70?

I am being facetious, given that I would have my right indicator on to tell him to move over before resuming my 85-90 mph cruise (assuming there were no Police cars, cameras or roadworks around and conditions were suitable).

[vonhosen]

Zod said:

vonhosen said:

GPSHead said:

Assuming no BiB/ambulance/fire vehicles, is it acceptable to sit in the outside lane at the speed limit, and refuse to move over, when there's nothing to the left?

If not, why not? After all, no-one should be going above the speed limit.

(I know how I and the majority of PHers would answer this, I just wonder how "others" would....)

You don't know what the other vehicles behind may be, Police surveillance vehicles, SOCA etc etc.

As a simple guideline keep left unless overtaking.
Don't hold up others unnecessarily if there is a space to your left, because you don't know who they are.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 24th July 23:01

all absolutely correct and I wish people would keep to it, but if there is no emergency vehicle behind the numpty in lane 3 with cruise control set to 70, whom is he holding up, given that we are not allowed to exceed 70?

I am being facetious, given that I would have my right indicator on to tell him to move over before resuming my 85-90 mph cruise (assuming there were no Police cars, cameras or roadworks around and conditions were suitable).

He doesn't know who it is behind him so he should keep left.
Of course those behind who have no exemption shouldn't be exceeding the limit, but that shouldn't be his concern because he won't know if they are entitled to an exemption or not.

[GreenV8S]

I'd suggest that the driver shouldn't unnecessarily impeded other drivers wishing to go faster, even when he was confident that they had no lawful exemption. The last thing I want on the roads is vigilante enforcement of arbitrary rules. I would also like to think that if somebody did actually have a sufficiently urgent need to exceed the speed limit, that other drivers would be considerate enough to let them get on with it without obstructing them. The legality of it, and the possible justifications for it, are a matter for them to resolve with the courts if it comes to that.

[WildCat]

vonhosen said:

Zod said:

vonhosen said:

GPSHead said:

Assuming no BiB/ambulance/fire vehicles, is it acceptable to sit in the outside lane at the speed limit, and refuse to move over, when there's nothing to the left?

If not, why not? After all, no-one should be going above the speed limit.

(I know how I and the majority of PHers would answer this, I just wonder how "others" would....)

You don't know what the other vehicles behind may be, Police surveillance vehicles, SOCA etc etc.

As a simple guideline keep left unless overtaking.
Don't hold up others unnecessarily if there is a space to your left, because you don't know who they are.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 24th July 23:01

all absolutely correct and I wish people would keep to it, but if there is no emergency vehicle behind the numpty in lane 3 with cruise control set to 70, whom is he holding up, given that we are not allowed to exceed 70?

I am being facetious, given that I would have my right indicator on to tell him to move over before resuming my 85-90 mph cruise (assuming there were no Police cars, cameras or roadworks around and conditions were suitable).

He doesn't know who it is behind him so he should keep left.
Of course those behind who have no exemption shouldn't be exceeding the limit, but that shouldn't be his concern because he won't know if they are entitled to an exemption or not.

So the twazak weaving around in excess of my speed (which was safe & appropriate for conditions und I was in L1 anyway_ und undertaking traffic in L3/L2 fairly dangerously on the M6 was probably a B-B-IBBB! then? (He cut in on me despite the decent gap I had with the car in front of me to undertake a vehicle in L2 (which had overtaken me) und then cut in front of that one. )

No wonder nothing happen when I report it in as he really was one scary sh head in that weather too.

It also now worry me that driver of this apparently unmarked car seem to tell me that policemen are now getting younger.

Und GPS Head - On empty motorway - I usually keep to L1 unless L1 become part of slip road to another motorway in which case I have moved into L2 in good time (eg - where M55/M6 meet )

[Timberwolf]

GreenV8S said:

The last thing I want on the roads is vigilante enforcement of arbitrary rules.

Too late...

It's a really big cause of congestion from what I see and I'd like to know how many road traffic collisions started with an, "I'm going to teach him/her a lesson".

People should stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and concentrate on driving their own cars - especially when they have no clue about the actual contents of the highway code, a state which seems to be a prerequisite of becoming a numpty road vigilante.

[Don]

GreenV8S said:

I'd suggest that the driver shouldn't unnecessarily impeded other drivers wishing to go faster, even when he was confident that they had no lawful exemption. The last thing I want on the roads is vigilante enforcement of arbitrary rules. I would also like to think that if somebody did actually have a sufficiently urgent need to exceed the speed limit, that other drivers would be considerate enough to let them get on with it without obstructing them. The legality of it, and the possible justifications for it, are a matter for them to resolve with the courts if it comes to that.

Totally agree.

My take on this is what other people want to do is their business - if they want to go faster than the speed limit - fine. So long as no-one expects ME to break the law for THEIR convenience and doesn't put me in any danger - no problem.

[Mr2Mike]

Brett928S2 said:

Hi

Ummm ..just on this point..I "THOUGHT" the Highway code was "ADVISORY"....??

Time to read it again then

Some of it is advisory, but a lot of it is mandatory,

[flemke]

Brett928S2 said:

Hi

Ummm ..just on this point..I "THOUGHT" the Highway code was "ADVISORY"....??

On the main point....I always stay in the left hand lane...thats the one next to hard shoulder...for those who think travelling in the centre lane at 70 is any better when left lane is empty...

All the best Brett

The HC is advisory, but if someone is mindlessly sat out there in the offside lane, wouldn't he also be liable for DWDCA?

[Bing o]

The HC is used as a large part of deciding what a reasonable driver would do when it comes to DWDCA/DD etc?

[JustinP1]

flemke said:

Brett928S2 said:

Hi

Ummm ..just on this point..I "THOUGHT" the Highway code was "ADVISORY"....??

On the main point....I always stay in the left hand lane...thats the one next to hard shoulder...for those who think travelling in the centre lane at 70 is any better when left lane is empty...

All the best Brett

The HC is advisory, but if someone is mindlessly sat out there in the offside lane, wouldn't he also be liable for DWDCA?

During a late night motorway drive I have seen a police car in my rear view and reduced my speed to something resembling the speed limit () however and thankfully they had no concern with me but did take rightful offence to the guy a few hundred yards up doing 70 in the middle lane of a deserted motorway.

It took the police car up the chuff for 10 seconds and then with blues on for another 10 seconds for him to move though!

I now see why when I am in the situation I take out my annoyance by doing a rather obvious overtaking manouvre from lane one to three and back again to lane one around the middle lane floater. 9 times out of ten though, this does not prompt them to use lane 1!?

[TTwiggy]

One caveat i would like to point out is the appalling state of many L1s on British motorways - lorry tyre ruts are a particular problem for small light cars running big rubber, and as I am not a fan of tramlining, I admit that the middle lane is often where I'm to be found. I would take exception at being forced in to a 'dangerous' (IMHO) lane by a police car...

[NobleGuy]

Boosted LS1 said:

Just pass on the inside and get on with it so long as it's safe.

Yup. Try not to do it and haven't doen it for a while, but someone with a pathetic lack of observation (or just plain stubborness) is not a driver I want to be sitting behind for long.

[vonhosen]

NobleGuy said:

Boosted LS1 said:

Just pass on the inside and get on with it so long as it's safe.

Yup. Try not to do it and haven't doen it for a while, but someone with a pathetic lack of observation (or just plain stubborness) is not a driver I want to be sitting behind for long.

You may find yourself prosecuted for doing it though, that should be a consideration in your decision to commit to that act.