Just got a letter - 97 on the M4

[Obiwonkeyblokey]

Sunday am. 97 in a 70 no other restrictions.

I have a clean licence, if I plead guilty what can I expect?

Thanks

Owen

Edited by Obiwonkeyblokey on Thursday 16th August 16:47

[SS2.]

You are just over the threshold at which the matter could ordinarily be dealt with by Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty..

If summonsed and convicted, the current guidelines suggest 4-5 points OR a short period of disqualification (up to 42 days) plus a fine - maybe £200 or so*. In the absence of any aggravating factors, I'd put money on you getting points rather than a ban.

(* - the level of the fine would ultimately depend upon your ability to pay and the mood of the Magistrates on the day)

[TripleS]

Obiwonkeyblokey said:

Sunday am. 97 in a 70 no other restrictions.

I have a clean licence, if I plead guilty what can I expect?

Thanks

Owen

Edited by Obiwonkeyblokey on Thursday 16th August 16:47

Hmm, profile says:

Z4M Roadster
Range Rover Sport
1970 Tuscan V6

I think your problem is having too many fancy cars, the likes of which I can't afford. You'd get into much less trouble if you had a nice little low performance runabout like wot I 'ave.

Honestly I do sympathise with you in your current plight and I hope things work out reasonably OK for you - well as far as they can, given the stupid speed limit regime we have. Good luck.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[mrmr96]

http://www.pepipoo.com/Magistrates_guidelines.htm

Likely 4-5 points, unlikely to get a ban.

[touching cloth]

I got 3 points from bridge camera van last year for 95 on the M4, but as said that put my just under the threshold where you are just over - Also got done a good few years ago for 97 on the M40 but this was a proper pulled over job and case went before the beak (I didn't, just pled (sic?) guilty by post) for that I got 5 points and a reasonable fine (think it was about £260). Shouldn't be a real killer wouldn't think (no chance of licence loss or that sort of sillyness) but probably more than just a fixed penalty job unless you are lucky.

[CommanderJameson]

I can't tell you what you'll get, but I can tell you what a friend got for a ton up on a DC in North Yorkshire.

He got a four-week ban and £350.

[Bibbs]

I was caught by an unmarked car on the M4 about 2.5 years ago .. 99.5mph

3point, £60.

[andyuk911]

scammer van ?

might be worth getting the picture to double check

[Obiwonkeyblokey]

Say Cheese



although where I was going at 9am on a sunday morning is beyond me? normally still asleep!

Edited by Obiwonkeyblokey on Friday 17th August 08:55

[putridp]

This seems to be an absolute waste of everybody's time (the prosecution I mean, not the thread!).

I suppose the circumstances could have made this dangerous. We'd have to take Owen's word for it that it wasn't, but it seems unlikely at 9am on a Sunday.

I maintain that lay (ie. non BiB) personnel should only be able to collect evidence that could support a dangerous driving charge on the basis of high speed alone - ie. significant excess only. Non-discretionary and absolute enforcement of our speed limits is a pile of horse shit, particularly on the motorway

I assume this was taken by scamera rather than BiB - don't BiB tend to pull you up at the time for speeding rather than send NIP through the post?

[Munter]

Obiwonkeyblokey said:

Say Cheese



although where I was going at 9am on a sunday morning is beyond me? normally still asleep!

Edited by Obiwonkeyblokey on Friday 17th August 08:55

That'll be the wife coming back from a midnight spending spree and trying to get home before you wake up.

[Obiwonkeyblokey]

putridp said:

This seems to be an absolute waste of everybody's time (the prosecution I mean, not the thread!).

I dont think its a wates of their time and they simply have a compuerised set up to nab me for breaking the speed limit. The fact that I was probaby the only car within 400 yds is irrelevant as I was still doing more than 70. \If they brought a charge of dangerous driving and court proceeedings into it then I would be annoyed. As it is, I suppose its a fair cop! ( depending on what I get)

I just hope to god they didnt get me coming back from Reading after the footie on Wed night in the Z4M !!

[SS2.]

Obiwonkeyblokey said:

The fact that I was probably the only car within 400 yds...

cough.. But still in the outside lane.

You'll be giving 4x4 drivers a bad name..

[Bing o]

Damn SS2. beat me too it!!

[Obiwonkeyblokey]

I meant I wasnt tailgating.

I am definately not a hogger.

I must be about to overtake someone in the middle lane


honestly

[putridp]

Obiwonkeyblokey said:

putridp said:

This seems to be an absolute waste of everybody's time (the prosecution I mean, not the thread!).

I dont think its a wates of their time and they simply have a compuerised set up to nab me for breaking the speed limit. The fact that I was probaby the only car within 400 yds is irrelevant as I was still doing more than 70. \If they brought a charge of dangerous driving and court proceeedings into it then I would be annoyed. As it is, I suppose its a fair cop! ( depending on what I get)

I just hope to god they didnt get me coming back from Reading after the footie on Wed night in the Z4M !!

Technically you broke the law, but you weren't in the wrong morally. Therefore the law is wrong, IMHO. Yes it's the age old and neverending PH speeding arguement!

To clarify what I meant in relation to the dangerous driving - the scameras should only be used to obtain evidence of excessive breaking of speed limit (doing 60 in a 30 or 120 on a motorway for example), which could be used on it's own to bring a DD charge perhaps. To bring speeding charges only should require a BiB in person, like it used to before scameras (with the discretion that goes with it) - and if that costs too much then it's obviously not an important enough issue in the first place.

[Big Fat F'r]

putridp said:

Obiwonkeyblokey said:

putridp said:

This seems to be an absolute waste of everybody's time (the prosecution I mean, not the thread!).

I dont think its a wates of their time and they simply have a compuerised set up to nab me for breaking the speed limit. The fact that I was probaby the only car within 400 yds is irrelevant as I was still doing more than 70. \If they brought a charge of dangerous driving and court proceeedings into it then I would be annoyed. As it is, I suppose its a fair cop! ( depending on what I get)

I just hope to god they didnt get me coming back from Reading after the footie on Wed night in the Z4M !!

Technically you broke the law, but you weren't in the wrong morally. Therefore the law is wrong, IMHO. Yes it's the age old and neverending PH speeding arguement!

To clarify what I meant in relation to the dangerous driving - the scameras should only be used to obtain evidence of excessive breaking of speed limit (doing 60 in a 30 or 120 on a motorway for example), which could be used on it's own to bring a DD charge perhaps. To bring speeding charges only should require a BiB in person, like it used to before scameras (with the discretion that goes with it) - and if that costs too much then it's obviously not an important enough issue in the first place.

Putrid - ignoring the rights and wrongs of speeding laws (although I like the way this thread is trying to persuade someone who's accepting being prosecuted that he shouldn't be accpeting it).

How would the limit be set for an absolute figure that is DD, if it's automatic enforcement as you suggest? Would 100 be okay, but 120 not, regardless of the conditions. How do you pick the limit, and are you saying (in your example) that 115 is safe, but 120 is not.

By the way, discretion was sometmes applied in the good old days, and was appreciated....but only by those who received it.

BFF

Edited by Big Fat F'r on Friday 17th August 12:26

[Tam]

Which side of the bridge was that?

[Bing o]

Big Fat F'r said:

How do you pick the limit

Ask someone who has never driven a car, nor has a driving license.




well that is how they chose the motorway speed limit as it is...

[Plotloss]

96 3 points

97 4-5 points

Where on earth is the sense in that?