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At that speed he'll get a summons to court becasue its more likely than not he'll recieve a ban. You must turn up at court as you can't be banned in your abscence. Also, when he does go to court, make sure he's not planning on driving home - else he's bound to get spotted and done for driving whilst disqualified.
Sorry it's not good news.
Was he stopped and spoken to at the time? Do you know what speed he's been accused of? Also, what type of road was it?
Edited to add:
Here's a link to the magistrates guidelines:
http://www.pepipoo.com/Magistrates_guidelines.htm
Edited again to add:
Here's a link to what other people have (claimed to) got in the past:
http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_Home/SpeedVSFi...
And here's some more:
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/speed/results.asp
He'll need a very good reason why he needs his license in order to avoid a ban. A letter from work saying he'll lose his job if he's banned is a good starting point. I'm sure other's will be along shortly to offer advice on how to minimise the chance of a ban, but if I were you I wouldn't kid yourself or your Son. Unfortunaltly at 110mph chances of avoiding a ban are slim, so I'd start preparing for the worst. (Then anything less will be a bonus, rather than preparing for the best and getting a kick in the teeth when the worst happens.. if you see what I mean.)
Sorry it's not good news.
Was he stopped and spoken to at the time? Do you know what speed he's been accused of? Also, what type of road was it?
Edited to add:
Here's a link to the magistrates guidelines:
http://www.pepipoo.com/Magistrates_guidelines.htm
Edited again to add:
Here's a link to what other people have (claimed to) got in the past:
http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_Home/SpeedVSFi...
And here's some more:
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/speed/results.asp
He'll need a very good reason why he needs his license in order to avoid a ban. A letter from work saying he'll lose his job if he's banned is a good starting point. I'm sure other's will be along shortly to offer advice on how to minimise the chance of a ban, but if I were you I wouldn't kid yourself or your Son. Unfortunaltly at 110mph chances of avoiding a ban are slim, so I'd start preparing for the worst. (Then anything less will be a bonus, rather than preparing for the best and getting a kick in the teeth when the worst happens.. if you see what I mean.)
Edited by mrmr96 on Tuesday 18th September 17:21
Edited by mrmr96 on Tuesday 18th September 17:23
im no expert but from previous posts it seems over a 100 gets you a ban so its gonna depend on what speed BIB give. hopefully nearer 100 (or pray less than 100) then 110 as then he may get away with a large fine. look through previous threads to see average fines/bans.
it maybe useful to adopt a disabled child or at least make sure someone is dependent on him driving as this will stop a ban!
it maybe useful to adopt a disabled child or at least make sure someone is dependent on him driving as this will stop a ban!
mrmr96 said:
At that speed he'll get a summons to court becasue its more likely than not he'll recieve a ban. You must turn up at court as you can't be banned in your abscence. Also, when he does go to court, make sure he's not planning on driving home - else he's bound to get spotted and done for driving whilst disqualified.
Sorry it's not good news.
Was he stopped and spoken to at the time? Do you know what speed he's been accused of? Also, what type of road was it?
form says it'll cost £45 to plead guilty by post, £60 proved in absenceSorry it's not good news.
Was he stopped and spoken to at the time? Do you know what speed he's been accused of? Also, what type of road was it?
Edited by mrmr96 on Tuesday 18th September 17:17
70mph dual carriageway
offence = excess speed 70mph limit (offence code 3833) so it doesn't appear to specify
I think those costs are court costs rather than an indication of the fine.
Is there a police witness statement in the pack that came with the summons? The offence will often just say "exceeding Xmph limit" but in the police statement it will say the speed he was caught at and how it was measured.
Also, I still think that you can't be banned in your abscence. So I would imagine that if found guilty in his abscence he would be sent another subsequent summons to appear, when he would be given the ban. (This wouldn't be a full hearing, as that would happen on the first court date - this would just be sentencing, if I understand the system correctly.)
Can I just double check that you live in England and the issuing police for is English? (Scotland have different rules you see)
Is there a police witness statement in the pack that came with the summons? The offence will often just say "exceeding Xmph limit" but in the police statement it will say the speed he was caught at and how it was measured.
Also, I still think that you can't be banned in your abscence. So I would imagine that if found guilty in his abscence he would be sent another subsequent summons to appear, when he would be given the ban. (This wouldn't be a full hearing, as that would happen on the first court date - this would just be sentencing, if I understand the system correctly.)
Can I just double check that you live in England and the issuing police for is English? (Scotland have different rules you see)
Edited by mrmr96 on Tuesday 18th September 17:45
mrmr96 said:
I think those costs are court costs rather than an indication of the fine.
Is there a police witness statement in the pack that came with the summons? The offence will often just say "exceeding Xmph limit" but in the police statement it will say the speed he was caught at and how it was measured.
Also, I still think that you can't be banned in your abscence. So I would imagine that if found guilty in his abscence he would be sent another subsequent summons to appear, when he would be given the ban. (This wouldn't be a full hearing, as that would happen on the first court date - this would just be sentencing, if I understand the system correctly.)
Can I just double check that you live in England and the issuing police for is English? (Scotland have different rules you see)
Yes England. Is there a police witness statement in the pack that came with the summons? The offence will often just say "exceeding Xmph limit" but in the police statement it will say the speed he was caught at and how it was measured.
Also, I still think that you can't be banned in your abscence. So I would imagine that if found guilty in his abscence he would be sent another subsequent summons to appear, when he would be given the ban. (This wouldn't be a full hearing, as that would happen on the first court date - this would just be sentencing, if I understand the system correctly.)
Can I just double check that you live in England and the issuing police for is English? (Scotland have different rules you see)
Edited by mrmr96 on Tuesday 18th September 17:45
witness statement says "I estimated that this vehicle was travelling in excess of 70mph . I commenced a check of this vehicles speed by way of a follow and maintained a distance behind the vehicle of 250metres. I checked the speed of this vehicle over a measured distance of 1 mile and saw that its speed indicated on the calibrated speedometer of the police vehicle varied between 100 and 110 mph, as I was unable to stop the vehicle I recorded all details"
Apparently this is BS he was doing about 80mph and they were chasing another car, a Jeep Cherokee, which had overtaken him, he pulled over as the cops came alongside, looked at him and continued after the other car in their T5
Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
Edited by Apache on Tuesday 18th September 19:23
Apache said:
Apparently this is BS he was doing about 80mph and they were chasing another car, a Jeep Cherokee, which had overtaken him, he pulled over as the cops came alongside, looked at him and continued after the other car in their T5
Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
He wasn't stopped at the time? Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
Was he NIPPED within 14 days?
safespeed said:
Apache said:
Apparently this is BS he was doing about 80mph and they were chasing another car, a Jeep Cherokee, which had overtaken him, he pulled over as the cops came alongside, looked at him and continued after the other car in their T5
Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
He wasn't stopped at the time? Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
Was he NIPPED within 14 days?
There's a good chance he'll get off if he pleads guilty and is related to Harriet Harman!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Apache said:
For doing 100/110 on the A120 at Dunmow. He was spotted by an unmarked car who tailed him noting the speed. Can anyone give me an idea of what he'll get?
Is it best he attend or plead guilty by post?
Hopefully he will get some "Education" out of it, ie dont do it again....... as much as I have no time for speeders, I do hope the fine/ban etc is not to harsh, you didnt mention his age, I think we all sped when we were young, but we learn with age, dont we? OK fluffy not need to respond on this one.Is it best he attend or plead guilty by post?
Edited by Apache on Tuesday 18th September 17:11
Apache said:
safespeed said:
Apache said:
Apparently this is BS he was doing about 80mph and they were chasing another car, a Jeep Cherokee, which had overtaken him, he pulled over as the cops came alongside, looked at him and continued after the other car in their T5
Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
He wasn't stopped at the time? Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
Was he NIPPED within 14 days?
Any chance that the offence was a camera one at a slightly different time/place?
What did the NIP say? ("...this allegation is supported by photographic evidence" Perhaps?)
Vipers said:
Apache said:
For doing 100/110 on the A120 at Dunmow. He was spotted by an unmarked car who tailed him noting the speed. Can anyone give me an idea of what he'll get?
Is it best he attend or plead guilty by post?
Hopefully he will get some "Education" out of it, ie dont do it again....... as much as I have no time for speeders, I do hope the fine/ban etc is not to harsh, you didnt mention his age, I think we all sped when we were young, but we learn with age, dont we? OK fluffy not need to respond on this one.Is it best he attend or plead guilty by post?
Edited by Apache on Tuesday 18th September 17:11
He's 23 and would lose his job if he lost his licence which is why he's careful.
On that speed-trap.co.uk site, I saw this -
"Temporary speed limits.
You should note that exceeding a temporary speed limit is a non-endorsable offence. This means that you can only get a fine, but not have any endorsements (points) applied to your license. Of course, like most things in law, there is an exception, and in this case it's national speed limits (ie. motorways and dual carriageways). If you exceed a temporary limit on a motorway, such as in roadworks, or the controlled-speed section of the M25, then it becomes an endorsable offence, ie. points. This information is in some dispute at the moment, but came from a traffic officer undergoing basic traffic training so I have no reason to believe that it's false."
Not very well written, am I right in thinking it is, frankly, codswallop, and that any breaches of any (properly signed, etc, etc) limit, successfully prosecuted, gets you points?
Not that I break red ringed limits, I'm just curious.
Regards
Pete
"Temporary speed limits.
You should note that exceeding a temporary speed limit is a non-endorsable offence. This means that you can only get a fine, but not have any endorsements (points) applied to your license. Of course, like most things in law, there is an exception, and in this case it's national speed limits (ie. motorways and dual carriageways). If you exceed a temporary limit on a motorway, such as in roadworks, or the controlled-speed section of the M25, then it becomes an endorsable offence, ie. points. This information is in some dispute at the moment, but came from a traffic officer undergoing basic traffic training so I have no reason to believe that it's false."
Not very well written, am I right in thinking it is, frankly, codswallop, and that any breaches of any (properly signed, etc, etc) limit, successfully prosecuted, gets you points?
Not that I break red ringed limits, I'm just curious.
Regards
Pete
Apache said:
Apparently this is BS he was doing about 80mph and they were chasing another car, a Jeep Cherokee, which had overtaken him, he pulled over as the cops came alongside, looked at him and continued after the other car in their T5
Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
That's only 1mph over 10%+2 not too bad really. Have the police got evidence that he was doing 80mph? if they were on another chase how could they safley wait to measure his speed correctly and then carry on?Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
Edited by Apache on Tuesday 18th September 19:23
Liam
safespeed said:
Apache said:
safespeed said:
Apache said:
Apparently this is BS he was doing about 80mph and they were chasing another car, a Jeep Cherokee, which had overtaken him, he pulled over as the cops came alongside, looked at him and continued after the other car in their T5
Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
He wasn't stopped at the time? Has he got he a hope? My opinion of plod is really plummeting right now.
Was he NIPPED within 14 days?
Any chance that the offence was a camera one at a slightly different time/place?
What did the NIP say? ("...this allegation is supported by photographic evidence" Perhaps?)
I thought that's what you wanted, Police officers using their judgment.
Or is that that you only want them doing that when the conclusion is no prosecution ?
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