Another good day for ANPR etc around the Severn Crossings...

[Six Fiend]

They did this not so long ago, obviously a good spot...

http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/Ne...

I like it.

[Vesuvius 996]

I love this.

Love it.


I'm insured, taxed and licensed. Anyone who isn't should be nicked.

[SS2.]

Vesuvius 996 said:

I love this.

Love it.

I'm insured, taxed and licensed. Anyone who isn't should be nicked.

[Jeremy Kyle]

no disrespect to the hard work put in by the officers/ authorites as i belive we need to take the unliscened, untaxed and uninsured off the roads but 19 vehicles?? thats not very good considering how much money must have been spent. just the 100 officers would have cost be 4-5K. think i could show you 19 vehicles which need to be off the road just by walking around certain areas for a couple of hours!

[Vesuvius 996]

Jeremy Kyle said:

no disrespect to the hard work put in by the officers/ authorites as i belive we need to take the unliscened, untaxed and uninsured off the roads but 19 vehicles?? thats not very good considering how much money must have been spent. just the 100 officers would have cost be 4-5K. think i could show you 19 vehicles which need to be off the road just by walking around certain areas for a couple of hours!

Fortunatelty, JK, we still (for now) need EVIDENCE before convicting people.

[over_the_hill]

I think the info and figures quoted in the story (link above) show that most people caught by the ANPR checks are "Real" criminals.

story said:

One person was arrested on suspicion of possession with intent to supply Class A drugs, three for driving while disqualified, three for possession of Cannabis, two for possession of offensive weapons, one for being wanted on warrant and one for drink driving.

In addition, 16 vehicles were seized for having no insurance, one articulated lorry was seized for having a fraudulent excise licence. Two further vehicles were seized by HM Revenue and Customs for using illegal fuel.

[Munter]

Vesuvius 996 said:

Jeremy Kyle said:

no disrespect to the hard work put in by the officers/ authorites as i belive we need to take the unliscened, untaxed and uninsured off the roads but 19 vehicles?? thats not very good considering how much money must have been spent. just the 100 officers would have cost be 4-5K. think i could show you 19 vehicles which need to be off the road just by walking around certain areas for a couple of hours!

Fortunatelty, JK, we still (for now) need EVIDENCE before convicting people.

I do believe he was suggesting the officers walk around and use the mk1 eye ball to identify evidence of defective and untaxed vehicles. Knock together a palm top with a camera and ANPR software and voila, walk down the street and check the lot.

[Brother Mycroft]

Does anyone remember the 'revelation' from our very own Mr. Vonhosen that 5% of all vehicles were uninsured?

I challenged that figure... saying it was a fraction of that.

25,000 vehicles scanned... 110 pulled over... assuming all were notinsured to get the tug that means less than 0.5%...

Mr. Vonhosen has again proven to fill out his lack of real knowledge with bul<cough>hit!

[Six Fiend]

Munter said:

Vesuvius 996 said:

Jeremy Kyle said:

no disrespect to the hard work put in by the officers/ authorites as i belive we need to take the unliscened, untaxed and uninsured off the roads but 19 vehicles?? thats not very good considering how much money must have been spent. just the 100 officers would have cost be 4-5K. think i could show you 19 vehicles which need to be off the road just by walking around certain areas for a couple of hours!

Fortunatelty, JK, we still (for now) need EVIDENCE before convicting people.

I do believe he was suggesting the officers walk around and use the mk1 eye ball to identify evidence of defective and untaxed vehicles. Knock together a palm top with a camera and ANPR software and voila, walk down the street and check the lot.

But that won't catch people with offensive weapons, drugs, and the other offenses...ANPR checks seem to be rather good at getting the dodgies on the move rather than have a walking BiB stand by the vehicle waiting for the naughty people to come back to it.

I do see the costs/result argument but reckon this method catches a wider range of criminals.

[Munter]

Six Fiend said:

Munter said:

Vesuvius 996 said:

Jeremy Kyle said:

no disrespect to the hard work put in by the officers/ authorites as i belive we need to take the unliscened, untaxed and uninsured off the roads but 19 vehicles?? thats not very good considering how much money must have been spent. just the 100 officers would have cost be 4-5K. think i could show you 19 vehicles which need to be off the road just by walking around certain areas for a couple of hours!

Fortunatelty, JK, we still (for now) need EVIDENCE before convicting people.

I do believe he was suggesting the officers walk around and use the mk1 eye ball to identify evidence of defective and untaxed vehicles. Knock together a palm top with a camera and ANPR software and voila, walk down the street and check the lot.

But that won't catch people with offensive weapons, drugs, and the other offenses...ANPR checks seem to be rather good at getting the dodgies on the move rather than have a walking BiB stand by the vehicle waiting for the naughty people to come back to it.

I do see the costs/result argument but reckon this method catches a wider range of criminals.

Thats fair enough. I'm not sure which way is best. But Vesuvius 996 was off target.

[cliffe_mafia]

Brother Mycroft said:

Does anyone remember the 'revelation' from our very own Mr. Vonhosen that 5% of all vehicles were uninsured?

I challenged that figure... saying it was a fraction of that.

25,000 vehicles scanned... 110 pulled over... assuming all were notinsured to get the tug that means less than 0.5%...

Mr. Vonhosen has again proven to fill out his lack of real knowledge with bul<cough>hit!

It says 10% here....

There are 27 million drivers on Britain's roads, and it is estimated that one in ten are currently uninsured.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...

[Brother Mycroft]

cliffe_mafia said:

Brother Mycroft said:

Does anyone remember the 'revelation' from our very own Mr. Vonhosen that 5% of all vehicles were uninsured?

I challenged that figure... saying it was a fraction of that.

25,000 vehicles scanned... 110 pulled over... assuming all were notinsured to get the tug that means less than 0.5%...

Mr. Vonhosen has again proven to fill out his lack of real knowledge with bul<cough>hit!

It says 10% here....

There are 27 million drivers on Britain's roads, and it is estimated that one in ten are currently uninsured.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...

Propaganda... Goebbels was full of it too!

Edited by Brother Mycroft on Wednesday 10th October 16:22

[10 Pence Short]

Not to mention that the Severn crossings are not places where you'd expect there to be anywhere near the average of uninsured drivers.

Would it be a surprise if someone said there are 10 times more uninsured drivers in urban areas than on motorways? I wouldn't.

[Brother Mycroft]

10 Pence Short said:

Not to mention that the Severn crossings are not places where you'd expect there to be anywhere near the average of uninsured drivers.

Would it be a surprise if someone said there are 10 times more uninsured drivers in urban areas than on motorways? I wouldn't.

That simply does not make sense.

25,000 cars anywhere should produce 1,250 'badduns'... so what you are saying is that somehow 1140 people decided that they will not go on the M4/M48 that day because it is obvious that they will be discovered?

If this was true it means the cops are really fv<king dumb because surely they should know better where to place their resources!

Now I do believe that occasionally some of the BIB can be a little... err... err... dense but that goes wayyyyyyy beyond dense into thick as sh!t territory!

Nah... you are in my opinion acting once again as an apologist for various cops here and around generally... your choice.

[Six Fiend]

Brother Mycroft said:

10 Pence Short said:

Not to mention that the Severn crossings are not places where you'd expect there to be anywhere near the average of uninsured drivers.

Would it be a surprise if someone said there are 10 times more uninsured drivers in urban areas than on motorways? I wouldn't.

That simply does not make sense.

25,000 cars anywhere should produce 1,250 'badduns'... so what you are saying is that somehow 1140 people decided that they will not go on the M4/M48 that day because it is obvious that they will be discovered?

If this was true it means the cops are really fv<king dumb because surely they should know better where to place their resources!

Now I do believe that occasionally some of the BIB can be a little... err... err... dense but that goes wayyyyyyy beyond dense into thick as sh!t territory!

Nah... you are in my opinion acting once again as an apologist for various cops here and around generally... your choice.

Ah yes dear, but this wasn't just about insurance. Offensive weapons, drugs, benefit fraud, illegal fuel, no licence, wanted on warrant, drink driving...

Edited by Six Fiend on Wednesday 10th October 16:35

[Jeremy Kyle]

Six Fiend said:

Ah yes dear, but this wasn't just about insurance. Offensive weapons, drugs, benefit fruad, illegal fuel, no licence, wanted on warrant, drink driving...

Edited by Six Fiend on Wednesday 10th October 16:34

excatly it should have produced more "badunns" than 10% but it only produced less than 0.5%!!

Edited by Jeremy Kyle on Wednesday 10th October 16:37

[Six Fiend]

Jeremy Kyle said:

Six Fiend said:

Ah yes dear, but this wasn't just about insurance. Offensive weapons, drugs, benefit fruad, illegal fuel, no licence, wanted on warrant, drink driving...

Edited by Six Fiend on Wednesday 10th October 16:34

excatly it should have produced more "badunns" than 10% but it only produced less than 0.5%!!

Edited by Jeremy Kyle on Wednesday 10th October 16:37

So is there a question about the demographic of drivers on the crossings? Would the % be higher on the M32 say around St Pauls and Easton??? Serious question not back pedalling!

[Chrispy Porker]

Brother Mycroft said:

10 Pence Short said:

Not to mention that the Severn crossings are not places where you'd expect there to be anywhere near the average of uninsured drivers.

Would it be a surprise if someone said there are 10 times more uninsured drivers in urban areas than on motorways? I wouldn't.

That simply does not make sense.

25,000 cars anywhere should produce 1,250 'badduns'... so what you are saying is that somehow 1140 people decided that they will not go on the M4/M48 that day because it is obvious that they will be discovered?

If this was true it means the cops are really fv<king dumb because surely they should know better where to place their resources!

Now I do believe that occasionally some of the BIB can be a little... err... err... dense but that goes wayyyyyyy beyond dense into thick as sh!t territory!

Nah... you are in my opinion acting once again as an apologist for various cops here and around generally... your choice.

Hey BM
I could take you to streets where almost all the vehicles are uninsured/taxed. ( but you wouldn't like it there)
I could take you to streets where none of the vehicles are.
The fact that on the Severn Crossing on one weekday there were few untaxed and uninsured vehicles proves what? Zilch. The sample is hardly representative.

[mark69sheer]

This is policing at its best.

However as mentioned it does seem a sledge hammer to crack a nut.

I agree with the operation and I am pleased with its result.

As a divisional chief however I would be asking couldn't existing resources solve a lot of these problems.

The CSPO's would surely catch a lot of the untaxed cars out on the roads if they simply checked the tax disc of every car they walked past. this wouldn't add any burden to the job they allready do other than making them better value for money.

[Jeremy Kyle]

Six Fiend said:

Jeremy Kyle said:

Six Fiend said:

Ah yes dear, but this wasn't just about insurance. Offensive weapons, drugs, benefit fruad, illegal fuel, no licence, wanted on warrant, drink driving...

Edited by Six Fiend on Wednesday 10th October 16:34

excatly it should have produced more "badunns" than 10% but it only produced less than 0.5%!!

Edited by Jeremy Kyle on Wednesday 10th October 16:37

So is there a question about the demographic of drivers on the crossings? Would the % be higher on the M32 say around St Pauls and Easton??? Serious question not back pedalling!

dont know the area so cant comment. But if i was BIB i would know where crime is more frequent in their local area and they should definately be targetting these areas first, thats common sense.