Since when were speeding fines related to wealth?

[m_tillman]

I'm hearing this third hand, but - motorway, site of former road works but alledgedly 40mph speed limit signed, but unnoticed by driver (and passenger). NIP received for 67mph, and required to provide proof of income and declare savings (considerable due to saving for deposit on house) presumably to determine amount of fine (and threatened with a charge of driving without due care if she challenged the existance of speed limit signage!).

Is this a total drunken BS tale?

[TripleS]

m_tillman said:

I'm hearing this third hand, but - motorway, site of former road works but alledgedly 40mph speed limit signed, but unnoticed by driver (and passenger). NIP received for 67mph, and required to provide proof of income and declare savings (considerable due to saving for deposit on house) presumably to determine amount of fine (and threatened with a charge of driving without due care if she challenged the existance of speed limit signage!).

Is this a total drunken BS tale?

Apparently not. It's designed to ensure that what our PITA government deems a suitable degree of financial pain is inflicted on those unfortunate enough to get caught breaking a stupid law, i.e. the one relating to speeding.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[SS2.]

m_tillman said:

Is this a total drunken BS tale?

Probably not.

An alleged 67 in a 40 is beyond the threshold where the matter could ordinarily be dealt with by Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty. As such, and upon receipt of the driver's admission of driving at the time of the alleged offence, I suspect it went straight to summons.

If the defendant were to be convicted, any fine handed out would be determined in part upon their means / disposable income.

It is normal for a means declaration form to accompany a summons..

m_tillman said:

and threatened with a charge of driving without due care if she challenged the existance of speed limit signage!

Which has more than a sniff of BS about it..

Edited by SS2. on Saturday 13th October 13:30

[7db]

Careless driving would require a separate NIP to be issued to preserve it. That threat evaporates in 14 days.

[catso]

If summoned to court for speeding you are asked to fill in a form detailing income & outgoings etc presumably this is so that the court can fine the workshy £3, payable in 24 monthly instalments or hit a wealthier person with a fine that will 'hurt', however I wasn't aware that they did this for a NIP - maybe they are pre-empting a court appearance?

Edited by catso on Saturday 13th October 14:55

[Hedders]

Proof of savings??

Surely you would just declare that you don't have any savings, therefore can not prove it.

If questioned later about it which you won't be, bullshit them.

You paid the fine they gave you, but did not declare your future house deposit as 'savings'..big deal.

[Mattt]

Do they track money? If all my savings were suddenly transferred to somebody else, would they go after it?

[vonhosen]

catso said:

If summoned to court for speeding you are asked to fill in a form detailing income & outgoings etc presumably this is so that the court can fine the workshy £3, payable in 24 monthly instalments or hit a wealthier person with a fine that will 'hurt', however I wasn't aware that they did this for a NIP - maybe they are pre-empting a court appearance?

Edited by catso on Saturday 13th October 14:55

Any fine set has to be able to be paid within 12 months.

[TripleS]

Hedders said:

Proof of savings??

Surely you would just declare that you don't have any savings, therefore can not prove it.

If questioned later about it which you won't be, bullshit them.

You paid the fine they gave you, but did not declare your future house deposit as 'savings'..big deal.

Does it make a difference depending on which particular financial institution is holding your savings?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[catso]

vonhosen said:

catso said:

If summoned to court for speeding you are asked to fill in a form detailing income & outgoings etc presumably this is so that the court can fine the workshy £3, payable in 24 monthly instalments or hit a wealthier person with a fine that will 'hurt', however I wasn't aware that they did this for a NIP - maybe they are pre-empting a court appearance?

Edited by catso on Saturday 13th October 14:55

Any fine set has to be able to be paid within 12 months.

So they fine the scrote &1.50.........

[Hedders]

TripleS said:

Hedders said:

Proof of savings??

Surely you would just declare that you don't have any savings, therefore can not prove it.

If questioned later about it which you won't be, bullshit them.

You paid the fine they gave you, but did not declare your future house deposit as 'savings'..big deal.

Does it make a difference depending on which particular financial institution is holding your savings?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

I would not have thought so ..they want easy money so i would not have thought they are going to investigate everyone they are taking money from.

Pay £100, thanks..next!

[TripleS]

Hedders said:

TripleS said:

Hedders said:

Proof of savings??

Surely you would just declare that you don't have any savings, therefore can not prove it.

If questioned later about it which you won't be, bullshit them.

You paid the fine they gave you, but did not declare your future house deposit as 'savings'..big deal.

Does it make a difference depending on which particular financial institution is holding your savings?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

I would not have thought so ..they want easy money so i would not have thought they are going to investigate everyone they are taking money from.

Pay £100, thanks..next!

It was a somewhat frivolous point in the light of certain recent share holdings of ours.

The road to consistently profitable investment can be a bit rocky at times.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[Hedders]

Oh, sorry to hear that

[delboy735]

Mattt said:

Do they track money? If all my savings were suddenly transferred to somebody else, would they go after it?

Savings..............................what are they??

[NobleGuy]

m_tillman said:

NIP received for 67mph, and required to provide proof of income and declare savings (considerable due to saving for deposit on house).
Is this a total drunken BS tale?

No, it's true. Have to fill in a form.
If it ever happens again I'll lie on the form.

[Jasandjules]

In relation to the OPs question - why wouldn't a speeding fine be related to wealth? They make more money that way......

[AStanway]

It's true - and has been at least since 2005 when I was in court for speeding and asked to declare my income... B*stards

[Fats25]

From memory - it is actually the household income and expenditure that they wish to see. Not the individual being prosecuted.

So you could well not even be a driver, and you are punished for your loved ones "bad driving", through a fine.