Help requested....Kids eh??
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Help.
We received a visit from BiB ( WPC actually ) last night asking for youngest son.He alledgedly hit another kid with a stick, whilst it was being filmed by Mobile phone! She claimed that she needed to see my son at the Police station , where he will be charged with assault!! He's 15. Also, she needs his phone to analyse it for evidence.
I then spoke to my son ( he was out at the time ), he was absolutely gobsmacked to say the least, and is devestated at the possibility of being charged for something he claimed was "larking with other kids"
Yes, he said, I tried to whip the other kid ( akin to Whipping with towel in boys changing rooms ) but he asked to pack it in because it hurt, so he says they did.
Nobody filmed it, and there were no independant witnesses.
Can the Police really take his phone, and can he really be charged??
Thanx for your time.
A worried parent
We received a visit from BiB ( WPC actually ) last night asking for youngest son.He alledgedly hit another kid with a stick, whilst it was being filmed by Mobile phone! She claimed that she needed to see my son at the Police station , where he will be charged with assault!! He's 15. Also, she needs his phone to analyse it for evidence.
I then spoke to my son ( he was out at the time ), he was absolutely gobsmacked to say the least, and is devestated at the possibility of being charged for something he claimed was "larking with other kids"
Yes, he said, I tried to whip the other kid ( akin to Whipping with towel in boys changing rooms ) but he asked to pack it in because it hurt, so he says they did.
Nobody filmed it, and there were no independant witnesses.
Can the Police really take his phone, and can he really be charged??
Thanx for your time.
A worried parent
^^^^^^^^^^^^ What CP said.
This is the problem with all the target driven stuff we (BiB) now have to deal with.
Once that job's recorded as "Delboy735's lad hit me", it's a crime. Crimes need detecting. You don't get detections for speaking to people and giving all parties words of advice, and trying to sort it out so everyone's happy with the least fallout.
Unfortunately, even if the original complainant refuses to cooperate, becuase there's still the possibility of a detection (ie by delboy735 junior admitting it), the job will sit somewhere until it's "dealt" with.
Even more unfortunaetly for delboy735 junior, if that means he gets arrested and interviewed, then so be it, just in case it can be detected...
Not that long ago, I'd have started off with a chat to all parties concerened, and tried to resolve it informally without the need to arrest or formally interview anyone. No chance now.
We're losing more and more of our discretion every day, and being more and more target driving. Run by bean counters...
This is the problem with all the target driven stuff we (BiB) now have to deal with.
Once that job's recorded as "Delboy735's lad hit me", it's a crime. Crimes need detecting. You don't get detections for speaking to people and giving all parties words of advice, and trying to sort it out so everyone's happy with the least fallout.
Unfortunately, even if the original complainant refuses to cooperate, becuase there's still the possibility of a detection (ie by delboy735 junior admitting it), the job will sit somewhere until it's "dealt" with.
Even more unfortunaetly for delboy735 junior, if that means he gets arrested and interviewed, then so be it, just in case it can be detected...
Not that long ago, I'd have started off with a chat to all parties concerened, and tried to resolve it informally without the need to arrest or formally interview anyone. No chance now.
We're losing more and more of our discretion every day, and being more and more target driving. Run by bean counters...
Dibble said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^ What CP said.
This is the problem with all the target driven stuff we (BiB) now have to deal with.
Once that job's recorded as "Delboy735's lad hit me", it's a crime. Crimes need detecting. You don't get detections for speaking to people and giving all parties words of advice, and trying to sort it out so everyone's happy with the least fallout.
Unfortunately, even if the original complainant refuses to cooperate, becuase there's still the possibility of a detection (ie by delboy735 junior admitting it), the job will sit somewhere until it's "dealt" with.
Even more unfortunaetly for delboy735 junior, if that means he gets arrested and interviewed, then so be it, just in case it can be detected...
Not that long ago, I'd have started off with a chat to all parties concerened, and tried to resolve it informally without the need to arrest or formally interview anyone. No chance now.
We're losing more and more of our discretion every day, and being more and more target driving. Run by bean counters...
And if there's a counter-claim, that's two detections ... even better for the government's statistics This is the problem with all the target driven stuff we (BiB) now have to deal with.
Once that job's recorded as "Delboy735's lad hit me", it's a crime. Crimes need detecting. You don't get detections for speaking to people and giving all parties words of advice, and trying to sort it out so everyone's happy with the least fallout.
Unfortunately, even if the original complainant refuses to cooperate, becuase there's still the possibility of a detection (ie by delboy735 junior admitting it), the job will sit somewhere until it's "dealt" with.
Even more unfortunaetly for delboy735 junior, if that means he gets arrested and interviewed, then so be it, just in case it can be detected...
Not that long ago, I'd have started off with a chat to all parties concerened, and tried to resolve it informally without the need to arrest or formally interview anyone. No chance now.
We're losing more and more of our discretion every day, and being more and more target driving. Run by bean counters...
. For the sake of society, let's get back some sanity - StreakyThanks for the replies. Like some of you, I also despair of where we are heading as a nation.
Common sense has been thrown out of the window in favour of statistics. Guess if my son receives a caution, that'll be another crime solved!!
I don't think it's the Bib so much, as the government and pathetic nanny state parents, who at the least provocation go running to the Police.
I suffered much worse fates as a kid growing up in the 70's than most kids of today, who seem too willing to run home to mummy and daddy, or even the Police.....and in some cases, these kids are the ones who started the trouble in the first place.
Oh well, life today eh.Never a dull moment.
Thanks again. Del.
Common sense has been thrown out of the window in favour of statistics. Guess if my son receives a caution, that'll be another crime solved!!
I don't think it's the Bib so much, as the government and pathetic nanny state parents, who at the least provocation go running to the Police.
I suffered much worse fates as a kid growing up in the 70's than most kids of today, who seem too willing to run home to mummy and daddy, or even the Police.....and in some cases, these kids are the ones who started the trouble in the first place.
Oh well, life today eh.Never a dull moment.
Thanks again. Del.
Any idea how it came to the attention of the police?
With all due respect, if the other lad felt strongly enough about it to go and report it to the police it's a bit beyond larking around.
I'd guess it will be a stiff warning, but it might be worth grilling your lad to make sure he wasn't going too far and knows not to.
By the way I don't say that in a holier than thou way at all. I was, in my chequered school career on both sides of the bullying equation in very minor ways, and it's best stamped out early.
With all due respect, if the other lad felt strongly enough about it to go and report it to the police it's a bit beyond larking around.
I'd guess it will be a stiff warning, but it might be worth grilling your lad to make sure he wasn't going too far and knows not to.
By the way I don't say that in a holier than thou way at all. I was, in my chequered school career on both sides of the bullying equation in very minor ways, and it's best stamped out early.
AJS- said:
Any idea how it came to the attention of the police?
With all due respect, if the other lad felt strongly enough about it to go and report it to the police it's a bit beyond larking around.
You're kidding, right?With all due respect, if the other lad felt strongly enough about it to go and report it to the police it's a bit beyond larking around.
We spend most of our time dealing with, as Copperfield puts it, "The mad, the drunk and the terminally inadequate"...
The amount of stuff that gets reported by Kylie/Chelsea/Tyrone that they don't actually want dealing with is unbelievable. They just like us to know what's going on...
AJS- said:
Any idea how it came to the attention of the police?
With all due respect, if the other lad felt strongly enough about it to go and report it to the police it's a bit beyond larking around.
I'd guess it will be a stiff warning, but it might be worth grilling your lad to make sure he wasn't going too far and knows not to.
Oh he's had a grilling all right. He is devestated.was in tears about it. He even saw the lad the following day at school, and no mention of the police was made. Doesn't make it right I know, but seems to me that parents are just too quick to go to higher authorities nowadays...bit limp.With all due respect, if the other lad felt strongly enough about it to go and report it to the police it's a bit beyond larking around.
I'd guess it will be a stiff warning, but it might be worth grilling your lad to make sure he wasn't going too far and knows not to.
Look it doesn't matter if your son was larking about, that they were playing, that no-one was seriously hurt, that they even stopped under thier own volition, or even that the other kids havn't complained. A serious crime has been detected! Don't you understand what the Nanny state is telling you?
Your son is clearly a scourge to society. Nanny says something *must* be done to crack down on problems like this. If something isn't done then no doubt your son will become a crack dealer, whose activities will be used to fund the proceeds of terrorism! As such he should be arrested, fingerprinted, DNA tested, be restricted by an ASBO, given a criminal record so that he'll never be able to get a decent job, be thrown in jail and have his nuts cut off.
Serious crime is a serious issue. You are also at fault here. You probably need to undergo parenting classes or face the prospect of having your children taken from you and accused of being an abusive parent. Listen to Nanny - Nanny always knows what's best for you...
Look on the bright side, at least Nanny's auntie, Hazel Blears, won't be interested any more in trying to press-gang your son into becoming one of her new yoof community wardens...
(Seriously I wish your family the best of luck. I would seek advice on whether it is possible to refuse to take your son to the station, as undoubtedly they will try and obtain his DNA there. If the other kid (or parents) havn't complained or are even completely ok with it, why are the Police interested at all, and what grounds for a prosecution do they have?)
Your son is clearly a scourge to society. Nanny says something *must* be done to crack down on problems like this. If something isn't done then no doubt your son will become a crack dealer, whose activities will be used to fund the proceeds of terrorism! As such he should be arrested, fingerprinted, DNA tested, be restricted by an ASBO, given a criminal record so that he'll never be able to get a decent job, be thrown in jail and have his nuts cut off.
Serious crime is a serious issue. You are also at fault here. You probably need to undergo parenting classes or face the prospect of having your children taken from you and accused of being an abusive parent. Listen to Nanny - Nanny always knows what's best for you...
Look on the bright side, at least Nanny's auntie, Hazel Blears, won't be interested any more in trying to press-gang your son into becoming one of her new yoof community wardens...
(Seriously I wish your family the best of luck. I would seek advice on whether it is possible to refuse to take your son to the station, as undoubtedly they will try and obtain his DNA there. If the other kid (or parents) havn't complained or are even completely ok with it, why are the Police interested at all, and what grounds for a prosecution do they have?)
corozin said:
(Seriously I wish your family the best of luck. I would seek advice on whether it is possible to refuse to take your son to the station, as undoubtedly they will try and obtain his DNA there.
The options for interview (if there is to be one) will be "voluntary attendance", or under arrest. If you refuse to go for a VA interview, you may be arrested. VA interviews are used quite a lot these days where the interviewee is cooperative, and the offence is relatively minor. They're not used for our "frequent flyers"...corozin said:
If the other kid (or parents) havn't complained or are even completely ok with it, why are the Police interested at all, and what grounds for a prosecution do they have?)
See my post above. Once it's recorded somewhere, it will fester until it's detected... Gone are the days of "Advice given to all parties, NFA".And just to stir the hornets' nest even further, a "detection" doesn't mean a conviction - it just means there's sufficient evidence to charge/cuation/summons.
It's incredible, isn't it. Despair 'cause this is the future as well. Thinking back to what I got up to as a kid, I'd have had a special task force and incident room set up nowadays. In my force a local beat officer was put back on shifts because, when a window was broken, he went around to the lad's house and told him off in front of his parents. The father then took the kid to the house and made him apologise. No crime, no result, no tick - totally unsuitable for the role of LBO as he was doing what the public wants.
streaky said:
Dibble said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^ What CP said.
This is the problem with all the target driven stuff we (BiB) now have to deal with.
Once that job's recorded as "Delboy735's lad hit me", it's a crime. Crimes need detecting. You don't get detections for speaking to people and giving all parties words of advice, and trying to sort it out so everyone's happy with the least fallout.
Unfortunately, even if the original complainant refuses to cooperate, becuase there's still the possibility of a detection (ie by delboy735 junior admitting it), the job will sit somewhere until it's "dealt" with.
Even more unfortunaetly for delboy735 junior, if that means he gets arrested and interviewed, then so be it, just in case it can be detected...
Not that long ago, I'd have started off with a chat to all parties concerened, and tried to resolve it informally without the need to arrest or formally interview anyone. No chance now.
We're losing more and more of our discretion every day, and being more and more target driving. Run by bean counters...
And if there's a counter-claim, that's two detections ... even better for the government's statistics This is the problem with all the target driven stuff we (BiB) now have to deal with.
Once that job's recorded as "Delboy735's lad hit me", it's a crime. Crimes need detecting. You don't get detections for speaking to people and giving all parties words of advice, and trying to sort it out so everyone's happy with the least fallout.
Unfortunately, even if the original complainant refuses to cooperate, becuase there's still the possibility of a detection (ie by delboy735 junior admitting it), the job will sit somewhere until it's "dealt" with.
Even more unfortunaetly for delboy735 junior, if that means he gets arrested and interviewed, then so be it, just in case it can be detected...
Not that long ago, I'd have started off with a chat to all parties concerened, and tried to resolve it informally without the need to arrest or formally interview anyone. No chance now.
We're losing more and more of our discretion every day, and being more and more target driving. Run by bean counters...
. For the sake of society, let's get back some sanity - Streaky
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