Tragedy on M56, but typically ...
Discussion
the question being asked on TV news is, "Why was is so easy for the boys to get onto the motorway?" And what's the betting that the sad deaths are added to a case to install scameras?
Condolences to the boys' families, to the drivers unavoidably involved and those who had to deal with the scene and aftermath.
Streaky
Condolences to the boys' families, to the drivers unavoidably involved and those who had to deal with the scene and aftermath.
Streaky
[pedant mode]Funny, no-one has been in here yet complaining about the amount of time the road was closed, or the fact that the HATO's were first on scene and the ones who closed down the carriageway to stop anyone else getting trapped in a crime scene. [/pedant mode]
Terrible tragedy. Sympathies to the drivers, to those who responded (police/ambo/BiB) and the the families. Never nice, especially when kids are involved.
Terrible tragedy. Sympathies to the drivers, to those who responded (police/ambo/BiB) and the the families. Never nice, especially when kids are involved.
Gilbertd said:
My question is what the hell were a 6 and 7 year old doing out on their own in the evening in the first place?
We discussed this in the office today, and the answer is they weren;t suppossed to be, and had already been reported missing.I think they went out to play amd were due home at 5 or 5.30. They weren;t home and parents went to look for them, and reported them missing before they were killed.
We'll never know what actually happened and why they tried to cross the road, but I get the impression that these two were not uncontrolled kids.
Vesuvius 996 said:
Don't parents have any control any more?
I don't know, but they certainly have a dutyof care to their children.
I suspect they failed in their duty.
Kids of that very young age should be supervised at
all times by a responsible adult.
Vesuvius 996 said:
My sympathies to the drivers involved, who doubtless had no chance.
I'm not sure it's as black and white as that.Stray objects [ deer, children, lorry tyres, various
objects throw from cars] all appear on the motorway
from time to time.
I'm sure some of them must be avoidable by any
attentive driver.
dcb said:
I'm not sure it's as black and white as that.
Stray objects [ deer, children, lorry tyres, various
objects throw from cars] all appear on the motorway
from time to time.
I'm sure some of them must be avoidable by any
attentive driver.
Kids wearing dark clothes on an unlit motorway, little chance to be noticed until it is too late.Stray objects [ deer, children, lorry tyres, various
objects throw from cars] all appear on the motorway
from time to time.
I'm sure some of them must be avoidable by any
attentive driver.
my sympathies go to the innocent driver's who would not have stood any chance of spotting these kids in the darkness (and not expecting them either). Off course i have sympathy for the parents to a degree but what were a 6 and 7yr old doing out on their own away from home??????? wtf (or am i a niave parent?)
still, justification that speed kills...
still, justification that speed kills...
At 70mph you are travelling at 100ft/30m every second if the child stepped out 100m ahead you would be on them within 3 seconds... Not enough time to think let alone brake, the drivers had no chance.
Condolences to the children's families and the unfortunate drivers who will relive that everyday of their lives.
Condolences to the children's families and the unfortunate drivers who will relive that everyday of their lives.
r1ot said:
At 70mph you are travelling at 100ft/30m every second if the child stepped out 100m ahead you would be on them within 3 seconds... Not enough time to think let alone brake, the drivers had no chance.
Condolences to the children's families and the unfortunate drivers who will relive that everyday of their lives.
And given that it would have been pitch black, i would estimate that since they were only probably about 4ft(ish)tall, they wouldn't have been picked up in headlight until about -1 second. No time to even register what it was for the driver. Condolences to the children's families and the unfortunate drivers who will relive that everyday of their lives.
BBC News Version said:
Father warned motorway death boy
Kieran had only lived in the area for about eight weeks
The father of a boy killed as he tried to cross a motorway with a friend has said he was looking for his son when he was told of the crash.
Kieran Coupe, seven, and six-year-old Guy Davies died when they were hit by three cars on the M56 at Preston Brook, near Runcorn in Cheshire.
Kieran's father Colin Lambert said he had warned the youngster to stay away from the motorway.
Mr Lambert said: "I don't know how I feel. I was very hysterical yesterday."
The motorway edge is about 300 yards (275m) from the back garden of Mr Lambert's home, with woods in between.
Both boys lived on the same street in Murdishaw in Runcorn, Cheshire Police said.
Mr Lambert said: "Kieran knows not to go near the motorway, that it is dangerous. I had been teaching him the Green Cross Code only this week."
Speaking later, Mr Lambert called for a fence or "danger" signs to be placed close to the motorway's edge.
Kieran had only lived up here for probably about eight or nine weeks
Colin Lambert, Kieran's father
He said: "I look around and everything is fenced off but not the motorway. There should be a fence or a danger sign at least to warn of the danger."
Paula Taylor, 41, who lives near the children, said: "There is no barrier to stop kids getting on to the motorway, they just have to climb down a bank and they are on it.
"I tell my kids never to go in the woods but boys are boys and it must have been an adventure for them."
Speaking outside his home Mr Lambert said: "Kieran had only lived up here for probably about eight or nine weeks, so he didn't know the area very well."
Mr Lambert saw Kieran, who lived with him and grandmother Joan, on Wednesday afternoon when he was at the house with his friends.
They went out to play and Kieran was due back in the house at 1700 BST for his evening meal.
When he did not return, Mr Lambert and his brother and 12 neighbours went to find him.
Police shut the motorway to carry out inquiries
Kieran has one brother and three half sisters and used to live in Nottinghamshire with his mother.
Cheshire Police said the boys were pushing scooters across the Chester-bound carriageway when they were struck by the cars.
The children were pronounced dead at the scene. Nobody else was injured.
Mrs Taylor said: "They were just ordinary little boys, always playing in the street and kicking a football about.
"I heard yesterday afternoon that they had gone missing and police were around helping the families look for them.
"Then we heard the news about the crash on the motorway. "It is awful, just awful."
Mr Lambert, who brought Kieran to Runcorn last March after living in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, said he suspected his son was rushing home because he was afraid of the dark.
Cheshire Police are appealing for witnesses to the accident to come forward.
Asked relative who drive that stretch often when she go to visit the other cousin who live in Brunstromia about fencing. She say she think embankment deep most of way - but seem to think there ist a "shallower bit" where she say this incident occur. Kieran had only lived in the area for about eight weeks
The father of a boy killed as he tried to cross a motorway with a friend has said he was looking for his son when he was told of the crash.
Kieran Coupe, seven, and six-year-old Guy Davies died when they were hit by three cars on the M56 at Preston Brook, near Runcorn in Cheshire.
Kieran's father Colin Lambert said he had warned the youngster to stay away from the motorway.
Mr Lambert said: "I don't know how I feel. I was very hysterical yesterday."
The motorway edge is about 300 yards (275m) from the back garden of Mr Lambert's home, with woods in between.
Both boys lived on the same street in Murdishaw in Runcorn, Cheshire Police said.
Mr Lambert said: "Kieran knows not to go near the motorway, that it is dangerous. I had been teaching him the Green Cross Code only this week."
Speaking later, Mr Lambert called for a fence or "danger" signs to be placed close to the motorway's edge.
Kieran had only lived up here for probably about eight or nine weeks
Colin Lambert, Kieran's father
He said: "I look around and everything is fenced off but not the motorway. There should be a fence or a danger sign at least to warn of the danger."
Paula Taylor, 41, who lives near the children, said: "There is no barrier to stop kids getting on to the motorway, they just have to climb down a bank and they are on it.
"I tell my kids never to go in the woods but boys are boys and it must have been an adventure for them."
Speaking outside his home Mr Lambert said: "Kieran had only lived up here for probably about eight or nine weeks, so he didn't know the area very well."
Mr Lambert saw Kieran, who lived with him and grandmother Joan, on Wednesday afternoon when he was at the house with his friends.
They went out to play and Kieran was due back in the house at 1700 BST for his evening meal.
When he did not return, Mr Lambert and his brother and 12 neighbours went to find him.
Police shut the motorway to carry out inquiries
Kieran has one brother and three half sisters and used to live in Nottinghamshire with his mother.
Cheshire Police said the boys were pushing scooters across the Chester-bound carriageway when they were struck by the cars.
The children were pronounced dead at the scene. Nobody else was injured.
Mrs Taylor said: "They were just ordinary little boys, always playing in the street and kicking a football about.
"I heard yesterday afternoon that they had gone missing and police were around helping the families look for them.
"Then we heard the news about the crash on the motorway. "It is awful, just awful."
Mr Lambert, who brought Kieran to Runcorn last March after living in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, said he suspected his son was rushing home because he was afraid of the dark.
Cheshire Police are appealing for witnesses to the accident to come forward.
Signs are very good idea if this motorway so close to homes - but what if the child cannot read? One boy was only aged 6 years. I rather agree with improved fencing here to make it impossible to stray onto motorway here.
Chester bound would probably have been the carriageway on same side as Preston Brook exit where the "Lewis Caroll Church window" at the little church in Daresbury can be be found. (That on the towards Warrington side. Preston Brook A56 road run direction A56/Chester I think.) If they going across . they crossing away from home .. or had they reached the central reserve und try to get back again when they realise they make very frightening mistake?
Unlike the case of the 16 year old of last week und the 12 year old girl who play chicken on the M61 (both had aspect of "deliberate"
und the 17 year old who walk onto motorway whilst worse for wear for drink .. these little boys more than likely strayed onto this motorway und perhaps genuinely panicked. I do not think "daft parenting" in this case given a look-see on the Googly map either. But to dcb .. in the case of danger of deer or other animal straying onto motorway .. there are hazard warn signs. If there debris.. the gantries/matrices these days do flash warnings (or they seem to do so here
) If a fast road like A14 . you sometimes see warning sign for pedestrians too. On a motorway - children on scooters are not expected. It also getting dusk too by this time. So not the fault of these drivers either. They will just as traumatised as the parents of these little boys too. I gather the area ist a bit on the "streetwise side" from someone I know from Frodsham/Helsby area - but it seem from report backed by Googly maps that this stretch can indeed be accessed by the children on this estate .. either by accident or by exploring game which can turn to serious tragedy as in this case.
WildCat said:
I would suggest an 8 foot fence at least to close off long before they get to the motorway here.
Don`t be silly wildy!Remember the accident where the chap fell asleep and ended up on the rail line? Now we have reinforced barriers at just about every rail bridge. How much did that cost us? For one unfortunate incident.
Put a fence round anything and kids will want to get through/over just to prove that they can.
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