Driving away / Not stopping Chav
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Last week, driving along the A40 nr Barnard Gate heading West, witnessed a scrote/chav in a metro move out to overtake on the single carriageway and hit the offside of an innocent coming the other way (East bound). Surprise surprise, he didnt stop.
I followed him and flashed him to stop but he kept going. Needless to say, I figured this was one of those emergency situations when I would be allowed to use my mobile and called '999'.
They were almost disinterested. I followed this git for several miles and was quickly able to slow and see road names telling them exactly where we were. Still he kept on.
Eventually, with no rear offside tyre and sparking everywhere, the Police operator made it very clear to me to be on my way and go home, leaving the little git to get away. They were going to put him on their system for a 'stop'! He was on 3 bloody tyres for f**ks sake and could only go a few more miles... at best. I got the impression that they couldnt care less or had nobody available to head over to our location. Bloody stupid solution.
I was being slightly cautious as this git was now 'driving' very recklessly as he was obviously aware I was tailing him etc. Still dont know how but an Audi got between us and he careered around a roundabout and took one of 5 exits out of my sight. I picked the 'obvious one' and it was wrong.
What would everyone else have done? I now wish I had stuck to him like glue and ignored the police operator. (It was made very clear to me that I was NOT to keep following him)
Stupid stupid stupid. Poor innocents have the grief etc and little git gets off scot free! No wonder these little sh1ts keep behaving as if they are immune to authority.
AARRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!
I followed him and flashed him to stop but he kept going. Needless to say, I figured this was one of those emergency situations when I would be allowed to use my mobile and called '999'.
They were almost disinterested. I followed this git for several miles and was quickly able to slow and see road names telling them exactly where we were. Still he kept on.
Eventually, with no rear offside tyre and sparking everywhere, the Police operator made it very clear to me to be on my way and go home, leaving the little git to get away. They were going to put him on their system for a 'stop'! He was on 3 bloody tyres for f**ks sake and could only go a few more miles... at best. I got the impression that they couldnt care less or had nobody available to head over to our location. Bloody stupid solution.
I was being slightly cautious as this git was now 'driving' very recklessly as he was obviously aware I was tailing him etc. Still dont know how but an Audi got between us and he careered around a roundabout and took one of 5 exits out of my sight. I picked the 'obvious one' and it was wrong.
What would everyone else have done? I now wish I had stuck to him like glue and ignored the police operator. (It was made very clear to me that I was NOT to keep following him)
Stupid stupid stupid. Poor innocents have the grief etc and little git gets off scot free! No wonder these little sh1ts keep behaving as if they are immune to authority.
AARRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!! I have many times risked my neck through public duty and I am always pissed off with the level of disinterest shown by the police..
when I have handed thieves and scroats to them on a plate wrestling with them if needed I only ask one thing.
Give me feedback on the punishment they received.
They never do.
My wife says I'm crazy risking my life when in all probability they are let out or never charged.
Thats certainly true.
I have never been called to court as a witness so I have to assume that nothing ever happens when you risk your butt.
The police officer knows this too.
After all in your case you can say you saw the driver do X,Y and Z but without independent corroboration he chav boy could just deny it and bang goes 'the case'
You would have been better not calling the police..catching him up . .putting a balaclava on and beating some pain into the scroat..
That would be the only justice he would have got anyway and if the police don't start getting a grip on crime in this country I can see summary justice making a fashionable comeback.
when I have handed thieves and scroats to them on a plate wrestling with them if needed I only ask one thing.
Give me feedback on the punishment they received.
They never do.
My wife says I'm crazy risking my life when in all probability they are let out or never charged.
Thats certainly true.
I have never been called to court as a witness so I have to assume that nothing ever happens when you risk your butt.
The police officer knows this too.
After all in your case you can say you saw the driver do X,Y and Z but without independent corroboration he chav boy could just deny it and bang goes 'the case'
You would have been better not calling the police..catching him up . .putting a balaclava on and beating some pain into the scroat..
That would be the only justice he would have got anyway and if the police don't start getting a grip on crime in this country I can see summary justice making a fashionable comeback.
Von,
At one point I was told to slow down and back off from him, do not continue to follow him. I explained that I was doing 37 in a 40 and was 50 or so yards away from him and not convinced he even realised I was following him. His car was soon to give up the ghost and if nobody was there when it did, he would probably report it stolen and deny everything?
The only realistic option was to follow him at a distance, safely and at least ID the driver? I was calm, sensible and very detailed in my description of the events.
This was no wild west car chase. When it did geta bit quicker, I eased off to not encourage him and that is probably why I lost him.
Some technique? I know that we have not always agreed on things but the sooner these little gits realise we wont all just turn the other cheek, things may improve.
P
ps - And I dont mean handing out our own form of justice! No matter how tempting that may be...
At one point I was told to slow down and back off from him, do not continue to follow him. I explained that I was doing 37 in a 40 and was 50 or so yards away from him and not convinced he even realised I was following him. His car was soon to give up the ghost and if nobody was there when it did, he would probably report it stolen and deny everything?
The only realistic option was to follow him at a distance, safely and at least ID the driver? I was calm, sensible and very detailed in my description of the events.
This was no wild west car chase. When it did geta bit quicker, I eased off to not encourage him and that is probably why I lost him.
Some technique? I know that we have not always agreed on things but the sooner these little gits realise we wont all just turn the other cheek, things may improve.
P
ps - And I dont mean handing out our own form of justice! No matter how tempting that may be...
vonhosen said:
Perhaps they didn't have a unit immediately available & didn't want MoP pursuing MoP.
And that is why a lot of people belive that this country is 
ed.So I take it that the BiB's on here don't want any help from MoP's ever then - no witness statements, no phone calls to report crimes?
I for one am sick of the way society has been almost wholly disbanded into individuals looking to
each other over whilst the Police just set out after form filling targets created by their pinko-commie pay masters.Fair play to the OP for giving a shit and trying to do the right thing. Far too few of you left out there sadly.
R_U_LOCAL said:
How do you know he "got off scot free"?
Fair point, but I did speak with the innocents' insurance company today and also tried to speak with the local Police. No joy and they couldn't even find a trace of the 999 call.Have checked my phone re times etc and will tell them the exact time of the call, duration etc tomorrow and let you know.
Not 'bashing' for bashings sake here but the attitude on the phone seemed one of almost resignation rather than law enforcement.
Slaav
33% of Police are busy doing paperwork.
33% of Police know that CPS will refuse to offer any charges due to lack of evidence.
33% of Police are busy on training courses to further their own careers (note career not vocation), already have specialist or office based jobs.
The remaining 1% happen to be off duty having served the community and done what we expect the Police to be doing.
33% of Police are busy doing paperwork.
33% of Police know that CPS will refuse to offer any charges due to lack of evidence.
33% of Police are busy on training courses to further their own careers (note career not vocation), already have specialist or office based jobs.
The remaining 1% happen to be off duty having served the community and done what we expect the Police to be doing.
vonhosen said:
Perhaps they didn't have a unit immediately available & didn't want MoP pursuing MoP.
Thats the trouble, civic duty is now replaced by civic confusion.If scroats thought someone would get them they would be more careful but they all know Joe public is scared of them and more probably scared of a police backlash.
The rot started years ago I remember in 1992 when a farmer made headlines in our local papers.
A load of youths had decided to have a 'Rave' on a farmers field.
The Farmer called the police to get rid of the revellers.
The incident ended with the farmer being arrested for being abusive to the scroats who had trampled his field.
Its this any detected crime will do as long as it makes up the numbers attitude that makes joe public wary , distrustful and sceptical about policing.
Many people myself included don't even bother calling the police anymore when something happens because why does anyone want to spend two hours dictating statements and answering demographical questionaires just to get a crime number.
Why should I apprehend any more criminals or spend agaes giving witness accounts to crimes when I know there is a very high likelihood that there will be no punishment for the scroat at the end of it.
Joe Public is getting disenfranchised.
You need Joe public as your eyes and ears but you spend your time harrassing them for petty misdemeanors and then you expect cooperation from them.
Bing o said:
vonhosen said:
Perhaps they didn't have a unit immediately available & didn't want MoP pursuing MoP.
And that is why a lot of people belive that this country is ed.So I take it that the BiB's on here don't want any help from MoP's ever then - no witness statements, no phone calls to report crimes?
I for one am sick of the way society has been almost wholly disbanded into individuals looking to
each other over whilst the Police just set out after form filling targets created by their pinko-commie pay masters.Fair play to the OP for giving a shit and trying to do the right thing. Far too few of you left out there sadly.
mark69sheer said:
vonhosen said:
Perhaps they didn't have a unit immediately available & didn't want MoP pursuing MoP.
Thats the trouble, civic duty is now replaced by civic confusion.If scroats thought someone would get them they would be more careful but they all know Joe public is scared of them and more probably scared of a police backlash.
The rot started years ago I remember in 1992 when a farmer made headlines in our local papers.
A load of youths had decided to have a 'Rave' on a farmers field.
The Farmer called the police to get rid of the revellers.
The incident ended with the farmer being arrested for being abusive to the scroats who had trampled his field.
Its this any detected crime will do as long as it makes up the numbers attitude that makes joe public wary , distrustful and sceptical about policing.
Many people myself included don't even bother calling the police anymore when something happens because why does anyone want to spend two hours dictating statements and answering demographical questionaires just to get a crime number.
Why should I apprehend any more criminals or spend agaes giving witness accounts to crimes when I know there is a very high likelihood that there will be no punishment for the scroat at the end of it.
Joe Public is getting disenfranchised.
You need Joe public as your eyes and ears but you spend your time harrassing them for petty misdemeanors and then you expect cooperation from them.
vonhosen said:
Not long ago you were arguing against pursuing over something as minor as stealing a car, let alone a minor damage only collision.
VH please don't take things out of context so you can enjoy a smug axe grinding session.If you want to look for contradictions in my arguments then fine but please don't try to point out ones that don't exist because that will make you look vindictive and silly.
I was previously arguing about wether police should get involved in high speed pursuits following stolen cars when it was endangering the lives of Joe Public and the end result would probably only result in community service.
In this thread I am arguing that in my experience its not worth the hassle as you don't get thanks or feedback from the police for your efforts.
I am agreeing with the OP's opinion that he felt the police couldn't care less wether MOP's help them.
There don't even appear to have even logged his 999 call.
vonhosen said:
Bing o said:
vonhosen said:
Perhaps they didn't have a unit immediately available & didn't want MoP pursuing MoP.
And that is why a lot of people belive that this country is ed.So I take it that the BiB's on here don't want any help from MoP's ever then - no witness statements, no phone calls to report crimes?
I for one am sick of the way society has been almost wholly disbanded into individuals looking to
each other over whilst the Police just set out after form filling targets created by their pinko-commie pay masters.Fair play to the OP for giving a shit and trying to do the right thing. Far too few of you left out there sadly.
There is a big difference between pursuing and following at 37 in a 40?
ANd I can promise you that I was not particularly keen on following this git into some council estate and getting my car trashed and head kicked in. I was certainly not going to dangerously pursue this scrote to the ends of the Earth but as I said, it really doen not sit well with me to let the low life scum just drive away. Next time, it might be you that he hits and drives away from? If so, do you want me to do my best using rational judgement or just drive on past? If it were me that was hit, I would desperately want someone to do their best for me!
P
ps - You cannot believe how grateful the innocents were when I drove back to find them at the side of the road and NOBODY had stopped to help or give their details. They had two small children in the back and airbags etc had gone off.
vonhosen said:
Bing o said:
vonhosen said:
Perhaps they didn't have a unit immediately available & didn't want MoP pursuing MoP.
And that is why a lot of people belive that this country is ed.So I take it that the BiB's on here don't want any help from MoP's ever then - no witness statements, no phone calls to report crimes?
I for one am sick of the way society has been almost wholly disbanded into individuals looking to
each other over whilst the Police just set out after form filling targets created by their pinko-commie pay masters.Fair play to the OP for giving a shit and trying to do the right thing. Far too few of you left out there sadly.
So I take it you don't want any helpfrom any MoP in anyway ever again in the discharge of your duties?
The fact that Slaav sated that no-one had stopped to help the victims by the time he got back speaks volumes about where attitudes like yours are taking this country.
Well done SLAAV
If the police had more people like you the country would be in a much better state.
I applaud your actions , so take some comfort from the fact that your actions haven't gone unnoticed and the pleasure you got from the family who thanked you.
Of course if the police had been involved in this incident they would have ducked out of following the three wheelered scroat and gone to check the other party.
No point missing out on a chance to check some vehicle docs or bald tyres and MOT failings is there?
If the police had more people like you the country would be in a much better state.
I applaud your actions , so take some comfort from the fact that your actions haven't gone unnoticed and the pleasure you got from the family who thanked you.
Of course if the police had been involved in this incident they would have ducked out of following the three wheelered scroat and gone to check the other party.
No point missing out on a chance to check some vehicle docs or bald tyres and MOT failings is there?
Bing o said:
vonhosen said:
Bing o said:
vonhosen said:
Perhaps they didn't have a unit immediately available & didn't want MoP pursuing MoP.
And that is why a lot of people belive that this country is ed.So I take it that the BiB's on here don't want any help from MoP's ever then - no witness statements, no phone calls to report crimes?
I for one am sick of the way society has been almost wholly disbanded into individuals looking to
each other over whilst the Police just set out after form filling targets created by their pinko-commie pay masters.Fair play to the OP for giving a shit and trying to do the right thing. Far too few of you left out there sadly.
So I take it you don't want any helpfrom any MoP in anyway ever again in the discharge of your duties?
The fact that Slaav sated that no-one had stopped to help the victims by the time he got back speaks volumes about where attitudes like yours are taking this country.
The person pursuing knew that & as the OP said himself was driving recklessly in his attempt to get away.
mark69sheer said:
vonhosen said:
Not long ago you were arguing against pursuing over something as minor as stealing a car, let alone a minor damage only collision.
VH please don't take things out of context so you can enjoy a smug axe grinding session.If you want to look for contradictions in my arguments then fine but please don't try to point out ones that don't exist because that will make you look vindictive and silly.
I was previously arguing about wether police should get involved in high speed pursuits following stolen cars when it was endangering the lives of Joe Public and the end result would probably only result in community service.
In this thread I am arguing that in my experience its not worth the hassle as you don't get thanks or feedback from the police for your efforts.
I am agreeing with the OP's opinion that he felt the police couldn't care less wether MOP's help them.
There don't even appear to have even logged his 999 call.
I just find your stand on this rather surprising given your position before.
It's just makes your original thread & indignation now seem a little hollow. It makes it appear it was started, not out of a true concern over the risk of pursuits, but more like your own little axe grinding session.
i.e. It was an attack on the Police (rather than pursuits) hidden behind a false veil of pursuit concern.
vonhosen said:
It's just makes your original thread & indignation now seem a little hollow. It makes it appear it was started, not out of a true concern over the risk of pursuits, but more like your own little axe grinding session.
i.e. It was an attack on the Police (rather than pursuits) hidden behind a false veil of pursuit concern.
nope, you've managed to spin it that way all by your own doingi.e. It was an attack on the Police (rather than pursuits) hidden behind a false veil of pursuit concern.
pretty consistent
Sorry to go O/T.
I was talking to my cousin from Guyana who was robbed by a couple of guys.
A few weeks later he and his friends found the guys and beat the hell out of them before chucking them into the back of a truck and taking them to the Police station, whereupon they were thanked.
In certain ways the UK is so advanced it's backward.
I was talking to my cousin from Guyana who was robbed by a couple of guys.
A few weeks later he and his friends found the guys and beat the hell out of them before chucking them into the back of a truck and taking them to the Police station, whereupon they were thanked.
In certain ways the UK is so advanced it's backward.
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