'Fair-Parking'

[catso]

Not sure if this is a repost? but does anyone know anything about this company;

http://fair-parking.co.uk

Their claim is;

"Protect yourself the legal way from civil enforcement proceedings for motoring contraventions including:

* Bus lane infringements
* Car parking
* Congestion charge
* Decriminalised street parking
* Private land parking
(Including motorway services and supermarkets)
* Wheel clamping and towing away"

All for a tenner a year.........

[FiveStar]

So you use their address on the V5? So all fines get sent to them? So how do they avoid getting taken to court themselves?

[Einion Yrth]

FiveStar said:

So you use their address on the V5? So all fines get sent to them? So how do they avoid getting taken to court themselves?

Any implied contract is with the driver of the vehicle, not the registered keeper. The thieves have to unequivocally ID the driver, and they can't do it.

[supermono]

This is beautiful, what a lovely way of defending against the motorists all have open wallets mentality of theiving scum operating parking scams and congestion charging scams.

Disadvantages as far as I can see are 1) do you get an extra keeper on the logbook? and 2) I don't see how they can defend against clamping.

Otherwise, all power to them! Just imagine if 25% of people did this, those private parking charge companies would start going out of business overnight.

SM

[catso]

supermono said:

Disadvantages as far as I can see are 1) do you get an extra keeper on the logbook?

They say that you keep your name & their address so the keeper stays the same only the address changes, the same as if you moved house.

[Terry Tibbs]

you can do this amongst your mates register vehicles at their houses and their car at yours

[bluepolarbear]

FiveStar said:

So you use their address on the V5? So all fines get sent to them? So how do they avoid getting taken to court themselves?

Any fines would be passed on to you (doesn't say as much but it is implied) as fines are levied againist breaches of crinimal law. Their service is to protect you againist civil claims ie Penalty Charge Notices.

These aren't fines and can't be enforced without going to court and a judge ruling on the matter. At no point in the PCN processes does it go before a judge. The process is made to look like it is backed by a judge but in fact isn't. The reality is you are being invited to pay a sum of money - it is your choice whether you pay or not.

[over_the_hill]

So why not just ignore all of the PCN stuff that comes through your door. From what has been said no one wil actually pursue you other than by seemingly threatening letters.

[JustinP1]

over_the_hill said:

So why not just ignore all of the PCN stuff that comes through your door. From what has been said no one wil actually pursue you other than by seemingly threatening letters.

Quite correct, and exactly what they are relying on!!!

[Jasandjules]

over_the_hill said:

So why not just ignore all of the PCN stuff that comes through your door. From what has been said no one wil actually pursue you other than by seemingly threatening letters.

Correct.

BUT most people think they are obliged to pay, and most of these letters come with bailiff and all sorts of threats thrown in for good measure.

That is the same reason this company will be able to take a £10 fee per annum from many people...

[over_the_hill]

Reminds me a bit of the old TV series Hadleigh where he regularly removed a Parking Ticket from the screen before jumping into his Roller and stuffing the ticket into the already overflowing glove box before driving off.

[Peter Ward]

JustinP1 said:

over_the_hill said:

So why not just ignore all of the PCN stuff that comes through your door. From what has been said no one wil actually pursue you other than by seemingly threatening letters.

Quite correct, and exactly what they are relying on!!!

So just to get my slow brain round this...

Decriminalised parking tickets and tickets for parking in supermarket carparks and motorway service area carparks are not legally enforceable? There is nothing they can do if you don't pay?

Just to be clear, I treat parking restrictions as legal restrictions and aim not to overstay them. But clarity for reference would be nice .

[ProAna]

supermono said:

Disadvantages as far as I can see are 1) do you get an extra keeper on the logbook? and 2) I don't see how they can defend against clamping.

Sadly you are right. Even those London boroughs that say that they will not clamp vehicles for parking offences, still do for persistent offenders.

[catso]

Peter Ward said:

So just to get my slow brain round this...

Decriminalised parking tickets and tickets for parking in supermarket carparks and motorway service area carparks are not legally enforceable? There is nothing they can do if you don't pay?

Just to be clear, I treat parking restrictions as legal restrictions and aim not to overstay them. But clarity for reference would be nice .

And what about the congestion charge?

[Parrot of Doom]

Peter Ward said:

JustinP1 said:

over_the_hill said:

So why not just ignore all of the PCN stuff that comes through your door. From what has been said no one wil actually pursue you other than by seemingly threatening letters.

Quite correct, and exactly what they are relying on!!!

So just to get my slow brain round this...

Decriminalised parking tickets and tickets for parking in supermarket carparks and motorway service area carparks are not legally enforceable? There is nothing they can do if you don't pay?

Just to be clear, I treat parking restrictions as legal restrictions and aim not to overstay them. But clarity for reference would be nice .

The contract is formed between the car park owner, and the driver of the vehicle.

Unfortunately for the car park owner, they only have the details of the registered keeper of the vehicle - who may not necessarily be the driver.

So all you do is invite them to identify the driver, so that you, as the registered keeper, may pass the paperwork on. Its just too much to ask them, and normally they just give up.

And all this is before you invite them to prove that you actually accepted their terms and conditions, upon entering the car park. Because they have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you did, and considering most T&C are in very small print, right at the entrance, and that you'd have to stop for a good 10 minutes to read it, blocking the car park entrance, you've got a very strong chance of basically telling them to Foxtrot Oscar.

[Jasandjules]

Peter Ward said:

Decriminalised parking tickets and tickets for parking in supermarket carparks and motorway service area carparks are not legally enforceable? There is nothing they can do if you don't pay?

As POD has said, if it is a private company car park i.e. NCP or Supermarket then it is a private contract entered into by the driver of the vehicle, NOT the registered keeper.

IF they have a clear image of the driver then they may get you, BUT they will have to take you to court to find out, and the costs of them pursuing a small claim will be more than they will get from you paying up in the end (their legal bod will be charging more per hour!). So they won't bother. Even if they bother to get the registered keeper from the DVLA, you don't have to admit that you drove into the car park or overstayed etc. it is for them to prove who entered into the contract.

[Sheriff JWPepper]

I'm not sure of the legality of all of this but my view would be is it worth the stress of fighting/ignoring a ticket and any enforcement action, why not just park properly in the first place.

[skymaster]

Even parking properly can result in a ticket these days. Because the system is de criminalised and run by muppets they are getting into the habit of ticketing any cars they fancy. The 'take it lying down' stance that most britons take these days means that most of the tickets just get paid so the councils and private parking firms are quids in.

[Sheriff JWPepper]

I'm not suggesting you roll over for incorrectly issued tickets rather not courting correctly issued tickets in the first place.

[Jules360]

Am i right in thinking that technically TFL would have to identify the driver rather than the registered keeper in order to persue any fine for non-payment of the conjestion charge?

Edited by Jules360 on Wednesday 7th November 08:55