Parking ticket advice please!
Discussion
The local parking nazis have got me for allegedly exceeding the time I was parked in one of those 'no return within the hour' areas.
I have the sealed 'penalty charge notice' - it claims I was 'parked longer than permitted' and has the time the ticcket was issued at under the 'to:' field, but no entry for 'from'. There's just an illegible srawl there which I think is the guys signature (it occupies half the page)
Is it worth contesting on this technicality (or indeed any other)? Any other advice.
If I did exceed the time it can only have been for 10 minutes or so in an area that doesn't have any huge parking problems....
I have the sealed 'penalty charge notice' - it claims I was 'parked longer than permitted' and has the time the ticcket was issued at under the 'to:' field, but no entry for 'from'. There's just an illegible srawl there which I think is the guys signature (it occupies half the page)
Is it worth contesting on this technicality (or indeed any other)? Any other advice.
If I did exceed the time it can only have been for 10 minutes or so in an area that doesn't have any huge parking problems....
Private car park?
Write them a nice friendly letter asking them to identify the driver so you may pass the paperwork along. Because thats who they have the contract with, the driver - not necessarily the registered keeper.
And get over to www.pepipoo.com and ask there, because they'll provide much better help.
Write them a nice friendly letter asking them to identify the driver so you may pass the paperwork along. Because thats who they have the contract with, the driver - not necessarily the registered keeper.
And get over to www.pepipoo.com and ask there, because they'll provide much better help.
Most local councils do not have the software to hook them up to the DVLA to check ownership of the vehicle. I had several tickets for parking outside my own house, which I binned.....no comeback whatso-ever.
The councils hope that you will pay the £30 straight away, thus building up a fund to allow them to purchase the software that would enable them to chase you for payment.
Personally, I wouldn't pay it.....however, it may be worthwhile you watching for Naz...sorry, wardens
to see if they take photo of a car after issuing ticket! If so, then they probably have the software, and took the picture to prove that a ticket was issued.If not, you're probably in the clear................hopefully.
The councils hope that you will pay the £30 straight away, thus building up a fund to allow them to purchase the software that would enable them to chase you for payment.
Personally, I wouldn't pay it.....however, it may be worthwhile you watching for Naz...sorry, wardens
to see if they take photo of a car after issuing ticket! If so, then they probably have the software, and took the picture to prove that a ticket was issued.If not, you're probably in the clear................hopefully.Edited by delboy735 on Saturday 10th November 20:17
My local council's transportation department (sic) is expecting to make a loss somewhere over £100k this financial year. This is due to more people parking short term on street and not long term in car parks than expected, also the number of penalty notices issued is less than expected.
On such b0ll0x thrives local authority parking enforcement... All available on your local council's website, under 'committee minutes' - just find the appropriate committee minutes pertaining to 'parking services' or 'parking enforcement' and put the kettle on
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On such b0ll0x thrives local authority parking enforcement... All available on your local council's website, under 'committee minutes' - just find the appropriate committee minutes pertaining to 'parking services' or 'parking enforcement' and put the kettle on
.Road Traffic Act 1991:
A penalty charge notice must state—
(a) the grounds on which the parking attendant believes that a penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle;
(b) the amount of the penalty charge which is payable;
(c) that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;
(d) that if the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by the specified proportion;
(e) that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, a notice to owner may be served by the London authority on the person appearing to them to be the owner of the vehicle;
(f) the address to which payment of the penalty charge must be
sent.
(a) and (c) mean that there should be two dates mention i.e. date of issue and date at time of offence. If they are not illegal ticket and held so by PA's. Number of LA's have fallen foul of this.
Looks from what has been stated that an appeal could be lodged on the grounds of (a) as it does not outline any offence of waiting longer than permitted because of the missing times???
dvd
A penalty charge notice must state—
(a) the grounds on which the parking attendant believes that a penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle;
(b) the amount of the penalty charge which is payable;
(c) that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;
(d) that if the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by the specified proportion;
(e) that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, a notice to owner may be served by the London authority on the person appearing to them to be the owner of the vehicle;
(f) the address to which payment of the penalty charge must be
sent.
(a) and (c) mean that there should be two dates mention i.e. date of issue and date at time of offence. If they are not illegal ticket and held so by PA's. Number of LA's have fallen foul of this.
Looks from what has been stated that an appeal could be lodged on the grounds of (a) as it does not outline any offence of waiting longer than permitted because of the missing times???
dvd
Well, they have my number plate and tax disc number. The location of the alleged offence and then the following:
From: To/at 10:21 on 10/11/07
By Parking attendant number: EN783
Signature: [signed, I think, it's illegible]
Who believed that the following contravention was being committed:
Parked for longer than permitted
Contravention code: 30
There are instructions on how to pay and how to challenge on the reverse.
Apparently it's £60 or £30 if payed within the first fortnight - hardly a kings ransom, but the local parking nazis are known for thier vindictive enforcment and plus I have never, ever seen that area full with cars.
I wasn't aware the rule applied on Saturdays (I thought it was only Monday to Friday) and I suspect they only saw the car when they began their patrols with the smart car of doom on Saturday morning, hence there is no "From" entry. Yes I was (allegedly
) there before 09:20 and 59 seconds, but is it still relevant when they don't give a date 'from' - surely it just means my car was there at 10:21 - big deal.
From: To/at 10:21 on 10/11/07
By Parking attendant number: EN783
Signature: [signed, I think, it's illegible]
Who believed that the following contravention was being committed:
Parked for longer than permitted
Contravention code: 30
There are instructions on how to pay and how to challenge on the reverse.
Apparently it's £60 or £30 if payed within the first fortnight - hardly a kings ransom, but the local parking nazis are known for thier vindictive enforcment and plus I have never, ever seen that area full with cars.
I wasn't aware the rule applied on Saturdays (I thought it was only Monday to Friday) and I suspect they only saw the car when they began their patrols with the smart car of doom on Saturday morning, hence there is no "From" entry. Yes I was (allegedly
) there before 09:20 and 59 seconds, but is it still relevant when they don't give a date 'from' - surely it just means my car was there at 10:21 - big deal.Chris71 said:
Well, they have my number plate and tax disc number. The location of the alleged offence and then the following:
From: To/at 10:21 on 10/11/07
By Parking attendant number: EN783
Signature: [signed, I think, it's illegible]
Who believed that the following contravention was being committed:
Parked for longer than permitted
Contravention code: 30
There are instructions on how to pay and how to challenge on the reverse.
Apparently it's £60 or £30 if payed within the first fortnight - hardly a kings ransom, but the local parking nazis are known for thier vindictive enforcment and plus I have never, ever seen that area full with cars.
I wasn't aware the rule applied on Saturdays (I thought it was only Monday to Friday) and I suspect they only saw the car when they began their patrols with the smart car of doom on Saturday morning, hence there is no "From" entry. Yes I was (allegedly) there before 09:20 and 59 seconds, but is it still relevant when they don't give a date 'from' - surely it just means my car was there at 10:21 - big deal.
They must have a record of when they first saw it or how would they know it had been there more than the hour. It doesn't cost anything to appeal it, so I think I'd be asking them to show the record of when they first saw it.From: To/at 10:21 on 10/11/07
By Parking attendant number: EN783
Signature: [signed, I think, it's illegible]
Who believed that the following contravention was being committed:
Parked for longer than permitted
Contravention code: 30
There are instructions on how to pay and how to challenge on the reverse.
Apparently it's £60 or £30 if payed within the first fortnight - hardly a kings ransom, but the local parking nazis are known for thier vindictive enforcment and plus I have never, ever seen that area full with cars.
I wasn't aware the rule applied on Saturdays (I thought it was only Monday to Friday) and I suspect they only saw the car when they began their patrols with the smart car of doom on Saturday morning, hence there is no "From" entry. Yes I was (allegedly
) there before 09:20 and 59 seconds, but is it still relevant when they don't give a date 'from' - surely it just means my car was there at 10:21 - big deal.True, they probably do, but according to their website, grounds to contest a PCN include:
The penalty exceeded the relevant Amount
For example : you are being asked to pay the wrong amount ; the parking ticket was not correctly issued ; the council claims you paid less (or later) than you did.
It only costs me the price of a stamp and gives me an extra 14 days to respond if they do have evidence, but surely if they haven't filled out the PCN properly it doesn't matter if I've been there all week?
Never normally petty, vindictive and beaurocratic like this (honest!) but seems thats exactly how the parking nazis appear to be in their little micro-merc tanks I thought it would only be in-keeping to have a go.
The penalty exceeded the relevant Amount
For example : you are being asked to pay the wrong amount ; the parking ticket was not correctly issued ; the council claims you paid less (or later) than you did.
It only costs me the price of a stamp and gives me an extra 14 days to respond if they do have evidence, but surely if they haven't filled out the PCN properly it doesn't matter if I've been there all week?
Never normally petty, vindictive and beaurocratic like this (honest!) but seems thats exactly how the parking nazis appear to be in their little micro-merc tanks I thought it would only be in-keeping to have a go.
Look. GO TO PEPIPOO AND ASK THERE.
I'm not being rude but they helped me defeat 2 parking tickets by pointing out the mistakes the council made. Mistakes that made the parking areas completely unenforceable in law. Even things as simple as missing wording on the PCN can make it unenforceable.
Don't just lie down and take it. If they expect you to follow the law, they can bloody well follow it themselves. Most of them don't, and thats why you need to fight.
There you have it, a council admitting that their parking enforcement is unenforceable. Will they change the bays though? Will they feck.
I'm not being rude but they helped me defeat 2 parking tickets by pointing out the mistakes the council made. Mistakes that made the parking areas completely unenforceable in law. Even things as simple as missing wording on the PCN can make it unenforceable.
Don't just lie down and take it. If they expect you to follow the law, they can bloody well follow it themselves. Most of them don't, and thats why you need to fight.
There you have it, a council admitting that their parking enforcement is unenforceable. Will they change the bays though? Will they feck.
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