Dyfed Powys CC Terry Grange 'retires' amid probe
Discussion
Daily Mail 20Nov07 said:
Chief constable quits after woman complains over 'inappropriate emails'
Police Chief Terence Grange has retired with immediate effect after the IPCC launched a probe into 'inappropriate emails'
Terry Grange, of Dyfed Powys Police, retired with immediate effect as it was confirmed that the inquiry relates to alleged misuse of a police computer and financial irregularities.
It is claimed that the married officer sent a number of inappropriate emails to a woman from his office computer.
A separate inquiry has been started into his mileage claims for work-related trips.
Mr Grange, 57, eligible to retire after serving more than 30 years in the police, decided to step down at once rather than try to fight the allegations.
Highly regarded in senior police circles, Mr Grange had regular dealings with the Government as the spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers on child protection and the management of sex offenders.
It is understood the allegations against Mr Grange were made by the woman who received his emails.
Last night Dyfed Powys Police Authority said it had accepted his retirement "with regret".
A statement said: "Mr Grange had indicated that he had allowed his private life to interfere with his professional role as chief constable."
"This has led the Police Authority to consider his position and it was considered to be appropriate to accept his retirement."
The Independent Police Complaints Commission said: "Although the chief constable has now retired, the IPCC is continuing its independent investigation into alleged financial irregularities.
"It would be inappropriate for the IPCC to comment further at this stage but it will make a detailed public statement in due course."
Welsh Assembly opposition leader Nick Bourne, a Conservative member for Mid and West Wales, said: "This comes as a bolt out of the blue. In all my dealings with him I found him to be a first-class police officer.
"He had a good reputation, deservedly so, as does the police force.
"It's an area with very effective policing. You would get very few people criticising the policing in Dyfed Powys."
Liberal Democrat MP Lembit Opik, whose Montgomeryshire constituency is in the Dyfed Powys area, said he was stunned by Mr Grange's retirement.
He said: "Whatever has happened, at a human level I wish Terry the best for the future."
Father- of-three Mr Grange was based at the force HQ in Carmarthen, West Wales, where officers were in shock last night.
One PC who did not want to be named said: "There were rumours a couple of months ago when the IPCC said they were looking into financial irregularities, but no one thought the chief might be involved."
A source at the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "We are very sorry to see Terry leave in these circumstances.
"In an era when many chief constables are constrained by political correctness and the risk-averse culture engulfing the police, he was a breath of fresh air."
Mr Grange took a tough line on illicit drugs and was regarded as an expert on domestic violence, harassment, rape, homicide and combating internet child abuse.
He was unavailable for comment last night.
Police Chief Terence Grange has retired with immediate effect after the IPCC launched a probe into 'inappropriate emails'
Terry Grange, of Dyfed Powys Police, retired with immediate effect as it was confirmed that the inquiry relates to alleged misuse of a police computer and financial irregularities.
It is claimed that the married officer sent a number of inappropriate emails to a woman from his office computer.
A separate inquiry has been started into his mileage claims for work-related trips.
Mr Grange, 57, eligible to retire after serving more than 30 years in the police, decided to step down at once rather than try to fight the allegations.
Highly regarded in senior police circles, Mr Grange had regular dealings with the Government as the spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers on child protection and the management of sex offenders.
It is understood the allegations against Mr Grange were made by the woman who received his emails.
Last night Dyfed Powys Police Authority said it had accepted his retirement "with regret".
A statement said: "Mr Grange had indicated that he had allowed his private life to interfere with his professional role as chief constable."
"This has led the Police Authority to consider his position and it was considered to be appropriate to accept his retirement."
The Independent Police Complaints Commission said: "Although the chief constable has now retired, the IPCC is continuing its independent investigation into alleged financial irregularities.
"It would be inappropriate for the IPCC to comment further at this stage but it will make a detailed public statement in due course."
Welsh Assembly opposition leader Nick Bourne, a Conservative member for Mid and West Wales, said: "This comes as a bolt out of the blue. In all my dealings with him I found him to be a first-class police officer.
"He had a good reputation, deservedly so, as does the police force.
"It's an area with very effective policing. You would get very few people criticising the policing in Dyfed Powys."
Liberal Democrat MP Lembit Opik, whose Montgomeryshire constituency is in the Dyfed Powys area, said he was stunned by Mr Grange's retirement.
He said: "Whatever has happened, at a human level I wish Terry the best for the future."
Father- of-three Mr Grange was based at the force HQ in Carmarthen, West Wales, where officers were in shock last night.
One PC who did not want to be named said: "There were rumours a couple of months ago when the IPCC said they were looking into financial irregularities, but no one thought the chief might be involved."
A source at the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "We are very sorry to see Terry leave in these circumstances.
"In an era when many chief constables are constrained by political correctness and the risk-averse culture engulfing the police, he was a breath of fresh air."
Mr Grange took a tough line on illicit drugs and was regarded as an expert on domestic violence, harassment, rape, homicide and combating internet child abuse.
He was unavailable for comment last night.
streaky said:
Daily Mail 20Nov07 said:
Liberal Democrat MP Lembit Opik, whose Montgomeryshire constituency is in the Dyfed Powys area, said he was stunned by Mr Grange's retirement.
He said: "Whatever has happened, at a human level I wish Terry the best for the future."
He said: "Whatever has happened, at a human level I wish Terry the best for the future."
Still troubles me that police officers often appear to be able to resign / retire their way out of serious investigaions like this to "save face and pension". If I send emails that upset people, I'll be sacked, as would most people. Why are police treated differently? It is tax-payers money at the end of the day. Perhaps if the threat of the loss of a bloody good pension (or at least a massive down-sizing of it) would make officers more cautious of mis-using computers / behaving innapropriately.
Obviously though, we should also not assume that this chap has done anything wrong, until we here o the outcome of the investigation.
He has already earned his pension.
Unless he were 'dismissed' he would keep it anyway.
The alternative would be for him to be investigated whilst in post. He would be suspended on full pay for goodness knows how long (more public money wasted).
Then perhaps 'required to resign', and keep his pension.
What is the point of this?
Unless he were 'dismissed' he would keep it anyway.
The alternative would be for him to be investigated whilst in post. He would be suspended on full pay for goodness knows how long (more public money wasted).
Then perhaps 'required to resign', and keep his pension.
What is the point of this?
It's nice to see two MPs, Bourne and Opik, go to the chap's defence though. Most politicians would have seen this as an opportunity to put the boot in to increase their electability, in their eyes at least. Opik and Bourne must know that this will run and run and some embarassing facts will be revealed. Good for them for being loyal.
Opik's gone up in my estimation, albeit from a very low level.
Opik's gone up in my estimation, albeit from a very low level.
Chrispy Porker said:
He has already earned his pension.
Unless he were 'dismissed' he would keep it anyway.
The alternative would be for him to be investigated whilst in post. He would be suspended on full pay for goodness knows how long (more public money wasted).
Then perhaps 'required to resign', and keep his pension.
What is the point of this?
Yes, but if one misbehaves in a job, one expects to lose what privileges they have earned. I agree that he should no be suspended whilst on full-pay if it is likely to go on for a long-time, but if found guilty of serious wrong-doing, I just don't think you should still receive a full works pension - you should lose that entitlement to a certain extent, otherwise there's nothing to stop older workers doing as they please.Unless he were 'dismissed' he would keep it anyway.
The alternative would be for him to be investigated whilst in post. He would be suspended on full pay for goodness knows how long (more public money wasted).
Then perhaps 'required to resign', and keep his pension.
What is the point of this?
- StreakyIf he was not eligible to retire, then he may well have been dismissed, or required to resign.
However he is eligible to retire, and has been for some time, so I don't see what could be done to stop him.
Also, he has paid a substantial amount of money(11% of his salary),into a pension fund every month, for more than 30 years of police service, so why souldn't he recieve his pension, it's not as if he is just being handed it free of charge.
However he is eligible to retire, and has been for some time, so I don't see what could be done to stop him.
Also, he has paid a substantial amount of money(11% of his salary),into a pension fund every month, for more than 30 years of police service, so why souldn't he recieve his pension, it's not as if he is just being handed it free of charge.
M5Dave said:
Also, he has paid a substantial amount of money(11% of his salary),into a pension fund every month, for more than 30 years of police service, so why souldn't he recieve his pension, it's not as if he is just being handed it free of charge.
IF (and only if) he has committed an offence (and lets get this right here, misuse of computers is that) that would justify sacking him, then he should not have the option of resigning.Like I said before - regardless of pension contributions, if you're fired then losing some / all of your pension should be part of the penalty...especially when you're fired for your behaviour in a job paid for with tax-payers' money
DPX said:
Just give him is contributions back , less an admin charge , as they are no longer pension then they should be classed as PAYE and so taxed .
problem solved.
Or even reduce his pension to one based on the 11% of 'his' money.problem solved.
The employers contributions for these pensions is reckoned to be of the order of a staggering 25%.
tigger1 said:
M5Dave said:
Also, he has paid a substantial amount of money(11% of his salary),into a pension fund every month, for more than 30 years of police service, so why souldn't he recieve his pension, it's not as if he is just being handed it free of charge.
IF (and only if) he has committed an offence (and lets get this right here, misuse of computers is that) that would justify sacking him, then he should not have the option of resigning.Like I said before - regardless of pension contributions, if you're fired then losing some / all of your pension should be part of the penalty...especially when you're fired for your behaviour in a job paid for with tax-payers' money
This would apply to anyone in any job, not just the police.
The furore a few years ago was caused by officers being allowed to take early retirement on full pensions whilst under investigation, thus avoiding any punishment. This abuse of the system has now, quite rightly, been stopped.
So whaaat he emailed a pic of his wang or something to some bint, that kind of thing should be encouraged! Only when we face such hurdles can we learn to overcome them and live a life with much less disgust.
And financial irregularities? The money was just resting in his account
Now here is a ping of a wang...
Edited to a link that hopefully works this time
And financial irregularities? The money was just resting in his account
Now here is a ping of a wang...
Edited to a link that hopefully works this time
Edited by Conian on Wednesday 21st November 11:37
Understand the debate re loss of pension being a sanction etc, but what's happened seems the pragmatic way to go in the circumstances.
There of course continues to be the option of bringing criminal charges if the investigation bears them out - interesting to see what the CPS made of this, assuming it was put to them...
There of course continues to be the option of bringing criminal charges if the investigation bears them out - interesting to see what the CPS made of this, assuming it was put to them...
Chrispy Porker said:
He has already earned his pension.
Unless he were 'dismissed' he would keep it anyway.
The alternative would be for him to be investigated whilst in post. He would be suspended on full pay for goodness knows how long (more public money wasted).
Then perhaps 'required to resign', and keep his pension.
What is the point of this?
So...Unless he were 'dismissed' he would keep it anyway.
The alternative would be for him to be investigated whilst in post. He would be suspended on full pay for goodness knows how long (more public money wasted).
Then perhaps 'required to resign', and keep his pension.
What is the point of this?
If it turns out he should have been dismissed years back, do we get our money back?
ACPO needs sacking en masse.
fluffnik said:
Chrispy Porker said:
He has already earned his pension.
Unless he were 'dismissed' he would keep it anyway.
The alternative would be for him to be investigated whilst in post. He would be suspended on full pay for goodness knows how long (more public money wasted).
Then perhaps 'required to resign', and keep his pension.
What is the point of this?
So...Unless he were 'dismissed' he would keep it anyway.
The alternative would be for him to be investigated whilst in post. He would be suspended on full pay for goodness knows how long (more public money wasted).
Then perhaps 'required to resign', and keep his pension.
What is the point of this?
If it turns out he should have been dismissed years back, do we get our money back?
ACPO needs sacking en masse.
As anyone could, if, having left a company said employer were to discover fraud or similar had been going on.
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