Legalities of store security guards
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Help................................again.
Yep, it's me with the wayward kids!!!
Does anybody know the legalities of a Store Security Guard manhandling a teenager out of a store without explaining why, and then keeping hold of said teenager, and reporting him to the Police for assault??
Just been down to station, and unfortunately couldn't contain my frustartion during interview, so I have been branded "not an appropriate adult".
ing charming. Anyway, terminated interview and requested solicitor. Then told by desk seargeant, that because I was not deemed to be an "appropriate adult", they would have to get my wife down, or keep Teenager in cell till morning and get social services involved. My wife is now at police station doing what I should have done in first place..............acting appropriately.
Please help, any advice welcome, because I at my wits end, and feeling pretty damn low about my son through more interviews.
Yep, it's me with the wayward kids!!!
Does anybody know the legalities of a Store Security Guard manhandling a teenager out of a store without explaining why, and then keeping hold of said teenager, and reporting him to the Police for assault??
Just been down to station, and unfortunately couldn't contain my frustartion during interview, so I have been branded "not an appropriate adult".
ing charming. Anyway, terminated interview and requested solicitor. Then told by desk seargeant, that because I was not deemed to be an "appropriate adult", they would have to get my wife down, or keep Teenager in cell till morning and get social services involved. My wife is now at police station doing what I should have done in first place..............acting appropriately.Please help, any advice welcome, because I at my wits end, and feeling pretty damn low about my son through more interviews.
Unless they suspect something, kids are usually just asked to move along if they don't like the look of them.
I've seen them detain people for the bib so I doubt it is illegal otherwise Bib would have said something to them. Usually it is explained why, but I doubt that storeguards must justify it to the detainee at the time. When I worked at TP I know the security there were unwilling to intervene unless they were pretty certain that something wrong had been done.
I've seen them detain people for the bib so I doubt it is illegal otherwise Bib would have said something to them. Usually it is explained why, but I doubt that storeguards must justify it to the detainee at the time. When I worked at TP I know the security there were unwilling to intervene unless they were pretty certain that something wrong had been done.
Assault.
During interview, son said at the front door he was stopped with another lad. The other kid had been banned from the store a few days ago, but not my son, so he tried to walk past Sec guard, who physically stopped him, then my lad tried again, only this time the guard grabbed hold of him and told him to leave because he had been barred( incorrect).My son protested is innocence( spelling), only to be grabbed again at which point he tried to struggle free.Guard kept hold of him, took him into store, and phoned Police, where allegation of assault was made!!! Police asked if my son had puched sec guard, he said no, definitely not, just tried to wriggle free.
Sorry, forgot to use quote option on Sherrif's post.
During interview, son said at the front door he was stopped with another lad. The other kid had been banned from the store a few days ago, but not my son, so he tried to walk past Sec guard, who physically stopped him, then my lad tried again, only this time the guard grabbed hold of him and told him to leave because he had been barred( incorrect).My son protested is innocence( spelling), only to be grabbed again at which point he tried to struggle free.Guard kept hold of him, took him into store, and phoned Police, where allegation of assault was made!!! Police asked if my son had puched sec guard, he said no, definitely not, just tried to wriggle free.
Sorry, forgot to use quote option on Sherrif's post.
Edited by delboy735 on Tuesday 27th November 23:30
Boosted LS1 said:
Sounds like your son is keeping bad company. When asked to leave the store he could have left but now it's just turned into a bit of a mess. The store has the right to pick and chose who enters imo. press the point and they'll chuck your son out. It's a learning experience for all.
Err maybe so!But the Security Guard has no rights to manhandle the 'child'
If it's a shop there's more than likely to be CCTV. Any disclosure made prior to interview?
Your role in interview as an appropriate adult is merely to assist with making sure your son understands the questions and the officers understand your son, and to see that the interview is conducted properly and fairly. It's not to fight your son's corner however tempting that may be as a father.
Sounds odd on the face of it for a security guard to go hands on if he's not witnessed an offence, i.e your son stealing. I guess in theory they can use reasonable force in order to remove your son from the premises once he has been asked to leave and has refused. In practice can't really see a security guard doing this because it opens them up to counter allegations,
What has you son alleged to have done to struggle free?
ETA For wayward 's
Your role in interview as an appropriate adult is merely to assist with making sure your son understands the questions and the officers understand your son, and to see that the interview is conducted properly and fairly. It's not to fight your son's corner however tempting that may be as a father.
Sounds odd on the face of it for a security guard to go hands on if he's not witnessed an offence, i.e your son stealing. I guess in theory they can use reasonable force in order to remove your son from the premises once he has been asked to leave and has refused. In practice can't really see a security guard doing this because it opens them up to counter allegations,
What has you son alleged to have done to struggle free?
ETA For wayward 's
Edited by Sheriff JWPepper on Wednesday 28th November 00:01
I'm assuming he was stopped when he attempted to enter the store?
If this is the case and he repeatedly tried to get past then a shaky assault charge could be bought against him for it. The store is private property and even if you son wasn't barred, he shouldn't have tried to carry on getting in once he was told no.
I'd assume at most a caution will come of it. I would really look at the company your son is keeping though. Sounds like hanging with these sort of people will get him in trouble even if he isn't a bad lad.
If this is the case and he repeatedly tried to get past then a shaky assault charge could be bought against him for it. The store is private property and even if you son wasn't barred, he shouldn't have tried to carry on getting in once he was told no.
I'd assume at most a caution will come of it. I would really look at the company your son is keeping though. Sounds like hanging with these sort of people will get him in trouble even if he isn't a bad lad.
coyft said:
Unless your child has been physically assaulted and has the bruises to prove it I would forget about it. Reading between the lines it seems you are concerned about the behaviour of your child, I would be concentrating on helping your son change his behaviour before he gets into serious trouble.
I think delboy's lad has been arrested and accused of assault, rather than bein the victim.delboy735 said:
Marcos maniac said:
Oh and a worthy note: Does the Security Guard have a valid SIA Licence?
What's one of them?Its an offence to work without one and he should have it clearly on display at all times (so that his name and badge number can be easily read!)
was it a large department/chain store 
name and shame is not allowed..................... Edited by Marcos maniac on Tuesday 27th November 23:57
Marcos maniac said:
delboy735 said:
Marcos maniac said:
Oh and a worthy note: Does the Security Guard have a valid SIA Licence?
What's one of them?Its an offence to work without one and he should have it clearly on display at all times (so that his name and badge number can be easily read!)
was it a large department/chain store name and shame is not allowed..................... Edited by Marcos maniac on Tuesday 27th November 23:56
All done before entering store. Apparently a Police inspector was shopping and helped to frogmarch said teenager into Store with arm well and truly twisted up his back,,,,,,oh yes, with 26 years experience!!! WTF
edited because I named and shamed...............sorry
Edited by delboy735 on Wednesday 28th November 00:15
Marcos maniac said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Sounds like your son is keeping bad company. When asked to leave the store he could have left but now it's just turned into a bit of a mess. The store has the right to pick and chose who enters imo. press the point and they'll chuck your son out. It's a learning experience for all.
Err maybe so!But the Security Guard has no rights to manhandle the 'child'
delboy735 said:
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All done before entering store. Apparently a Police inspector was shopping and helped to frogmarch said teenager into Store with arm well and truly twisted up his back,,,,,,oh yes, with 26 years experience!!! WTF
YOU NEED TO EDIT YOUR POST - Name and shame is not allowed.All done before entering store. Apparently a Police inspector was shopping and helped to frogmarch said teenager into Store with arm well and truly twisted up his back,,,,,,oh yes, with 26 years experience!!! WTF
Wrongful arrest and false imprisonment against the Security Guard is going to be hard to prove as as there was a
involved. What about your son's mate? was he detained?Any further news from your wife in relation to outcome of interview?
Sheriff JWPepper said:
In that case there will be CCTV and there is going to be more to it than nipper is letting on. BiBs and especially Inspectors with plenty of service don't get involved off duty unless they really have to and have seen something worth acting on.
How would we get to see the CCTV footage, and how would we go about counterclaim, beacuse son is adamant that all he did was try to go into store, before large security guard restrained him.He says no punches thrown, just tried to wriggle free before a n other ( guessing aforementioned Inspector ) wrestled him to ground forced arm behind back, before frogmarching back into store!!Marcos maniac said:
delboy735 said:
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All done before entering store. Apparently a Police inspector was shopping and helped to frogmarch said teenager into Store with arm well and truly twisted up his back,,,,,,oh yes, with 26 years experience!!! WTF
YOU NEED TO EDIT YOUR POST - Name and shame is not allowed.All done before entering store. Apparently a Police inspector was shopping and helped to frogmarch said teenager into Store with arm well and truly twisted up his back,,,,,,oh yes, with 26 years experience!!! WTF
Wrongful arrest and false imprisonment against the Security Guard is going to be hard to prove as as there was a
involved. What about your son's mate? was he detained?Any further news from your wife in relation to outcome of interview?
Playing devils advocate I'd think there is more to this than what your son is letting on i.e. struggling violently instead of being responsible enough to just walk away. If anything was caught on cctv it may be produced in interview if the Officers have been able to seize it. If it is a digital system it is burnt to disk and very few custody suits have the facilities to show this in interview.
If an off duty BiB esp and Inspector has gotten hands on then it must have been a fairly violent/heated incident. By the sounds of it there may be cctv against your son and at the very least the guards and the Inspectors statements which is more than enough evidence.
If an off duty BiB esp and Inspector has gotten hands on then it must have been a fairly violent/heated incident. By the sounds of it there may be cctv against your son and at the very least the guards and the Inspectors statements which is more than enough evidence.
wasted years said:
Playing devils advocate I'd think there is more to this than what your son is letting on i.e. struggling violently instead of being responsible enough to just walk away. If anything was caught on cctv it may be produced in interview if the Officers have been able to seize it. If it is a digital system it is burnt to disk and very few custody suits have the facilities to show this in interview.
If an off duty BiB esp and Inspector has gotten hands on then it must have been a fairly violent/heated incident. By the sounds of it there may be cctv against your son and at the very least the guards and the Inspectors statements which is more than enough evidence.
Looks like a criminal record for wanting to buy a drink!!!If an off duty BiB esp and Inspector has gotten hands on then it must have been a fairly violent/heated incident. By the sounds of it there may be cctv against your son and at the very least the guards and the Inspectors statements which is more than enough evidence.
What about statements from non store staff.Been told statements will be taken from other members of staff before charge. He has no chance, and my trust in the system is now up the swanny!!
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