watching police camera action tonight and sadly
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Saw yet more evidence backing up my view to end pursuits in all but the most serious cases..
Two american chases , stop sticks were used to attempt to end two pursuits.
In both cases the stop sticks caused a head on collision.
In the first case the runaway vehicle spun immediately after hitting the stop stick and its tyres deflated. It spun immediately into a car travelling the opposite direction instant head on collision with innocent motorists.
In the second the stop stick was thrown accross the road and the fleeing motorist tried a high speed swerve around them. net result was another spin and another head on crash.
Two american chases , stop sticks were used to attempt to end two pursuits.
In both cases the stop sticks caused a head on collision.
In the first case the runaway vehicle spun immediately after hitting the stop stick and its tyres deflated. It spun immediately into a car travelling the opposite direction instant head on collision with innocent motorists.
In the second the stop stick was thrown accross the road and the fleeing motorist tried a high speed swerve around them. net result was another spin and another head on crash.
Fine then how do you suggest we stop car thieves
Ask them nicely?
Wait for them to park up?
Let them do as they wish?
It is a fine idea as far as i am concerned as i have a nice little caterham stick some fake plates on it and they are never going to stop me.
What you fail to realise is these guys drive like idiots and crash when there is no one following them. You live in some fantasy world i think
Ask them nicely?
Wait for them to park up?
Let them do as they wish?
It is a fine idea as far as i am concerned as i have a nice little caterham stick some fake plates on it and they are never going to stop me.
What you fail to realise is these guys drive like idiots and crash when there is no one following them. You live in some fantasy world i think
I only report what I see.
two very nasty head on collisions.
One for sure was caused by the motorists swerving sharlpy to avoid running over the stop sticks.
The net result though in each case was innocent motorists involved in head on collisions.
Just as I recently mentioned when my wifes boss had his car stolen it ended in a head on crash.
It seems in that one the criminal didn't lose control but overtook another vehicle just before a right hand bend while being pursued.
two very nasty head on collisions.
One for sure was caused by the motorists swerving sharlpy to avoid running over the stop sticks.
The net result though in each case was innocent motorists involved in head on collisions.
Just as I recently mentioned when my wifes boss had his car stolen it ended in a head on crash.
It seems in that one the criminal didn't lose control but overtook another vehicle just before a right hand bend while being pursued.
mark69sheer said:
thinfourth2 said:
Fine then how do you suggest we stop car thieves
Keep your keys with you or locked away and not hanging around a kitchen shelfThis would not be an improvement.
You are living, as stated above, in some fantasy world. Let's pray your 'policies' stay there.
Those crashes are caused by reckless drivers, not by the police. Hopefully, the police will manage to stop them safely most of the time, but when drivers act like idiots then occasionally things are going to go wrong. Leaving them to get on with it is not the answer, it will only send the message that driving like an idiot is an effective way to escape from the police.
mark69sheer said:
paddy27 said:
And how do you propse to get around car jackings then??
Keep your car doors locked and avoid dodgy areas.
Yeah cos crims dont go to nice areas to car jack people. They hang around in scums ville waiting for a 1984 Fiesta to come by to car jack.If you hide your keys they'll wake you up to show them where the keys are.
Ok lets talk trivial semantics then if thats where this thread is heading.
People involved in head on collisions with a criminal evading the police have no options whatsoever. They can't make a decision about what to do in the circumstances. They don't get an option.
People woken up in their beds by criminals demanding car keys do have plenty of options.
They have the option to fit 5 lever door locks
The option to fit security lights
The option to fit a front gate
The option to alarm their house
The option to fit security lights
The option to call the police
The option to keep a dog
The option to hide their keys
The option to give a dummy set of keys
The option to have a tracker fitted
The option even to fight the intruders or call their bluff
People involved in head on collisions with a criminal evading the police have no options whatsoever. They can't make a decision about what to do in the circumstances. They don't get an option.
People woken up in their beds by criminals demanding car keys do have plenty of options.
They have the option to fit 5 lever door locks
The option to fit security lights
The option to fit a front gate
The option to alarm their house
The option to fit security lights
The option to call the police
The option to keep a dog
The option to hide their keys
The option to give a dummy set of keys
The option to have a tracker fitted
The option even to fight the intruders or call their bluff
mark69sheer said:
Ok lets talk trivial semantics then if thats where this thread is heading.
People involved in head on collisions with a criminal evading the police have no options whatsoever. They can't make a decision about what to do in the circumstances. They don't get an option.
People woken up in their beds by criminals demanding car keys do have plenty of options.
They have the option to fit 5 lever door locks
The option to fit security lights
The option to fit a front gate
The option to alarm their house
The option to fit security lights
The option to call the police
The option to keep a dog
The option to hide their keys
The option to give a dummy set of keys
The option to have a tracker fitted
The option even to fight the intruders or call their bluff
In the ugly event of someone wanting a car badly enough, I do hope it is you that they choose rather than, say, me! People involved in head on collisions with a criminal evading the police have no options whatsoever. They can't make a decision about what to do in the circumstances. They don't get an option.
People woken up in their beds by criminals demanding car keys do have plenty of options.
They have the option to fit 5 lever door locks
The option to fit security lights
The option to fit a front gate
The option to alarm their house
The option to fit security lights
The option to call the police
The option to keep a dog
The option to hide their keys
The option to give a dummy set of keys
The option to have a tracker fitted
The option even to fight the intruders or call their bluff
Do you think you'll give them the dummy keys after they've shot your dog and threatened your wife? Because, when they can't start the car, they'll be coming right back in.
thinfourth2 said:
Fine then how do you suggest we stop car thieves
Ask them nicely?
Wait for them to park up?
Let them do as they wish?
It is a fine idea as far as i am concerned as i have a nice little caterham stick some fake plates on it and they are never going to stop me.
What you fail to realise is these guys drive like idiots and crash when there is no one following them. You live in some fantasy world i think
How about using them when safe to do so. OP didn't say, don't use them.Ask them nicely?
Wait for them to park up?
Let them do as they wish?
It is a fine idea as far as i am concerned as i have a nice little caterham stick some fake plates on it and they are never going to stop me.
What you fail to realise is these guys drive like idiots and crash when there is no one following them. You live in some fantasy world i think
If there is a risk to innocent members of public, don't deploy them!
mark69sheer said:
Ok lets talk trivial semantics then if thats where this thread is heading.
People involved in head on collisions with a criminal evading the police have no options whatsoever. They can't make a decision about what to do in the circumstances. They don't get an option.
People woken up in their beds by criminals demanding car keys do have plenty of options.
They have the option to fit 5 lever door locks
The option to fit security lights
The option to fit a front gate
The option to alarm their house
The option to fit security lights
The option to call the police
The option to keep a dog
The option to hide their keys
The option to give a dummy set of keys
The option to have a tracker fitted
The option even to fight the intruders or call their bluff
From the criminals point of view:People involved in head on collisions with a criminal evading the police have no options whatsoever. They can't make a decision about what to do in the circumstances. They don't get an option.
People woken up in their beds by criminals demanding car keys do have plenty of options.
They have the option to fit 5 lever door locks
The option to fit security lights
The option to fit a front gate
The option to alarm their house
The option to fit security lights
The option to call the police
The option to keep a dog
The option to hide their keys
The option to give a dummy set of keys
The option to have a tracker fitted
The option even to fight the intruders or call their bluff
Why use the door? A window is easier, or better still put a shot gun to your head as you get home so you let me in.
Ohhhh lights scary.
Ohhh gates, not really going to stop anybody...see how many footballers gates saved their stuff.
Ohhh alarm, you've got a gun to your head do you think the alarm is going to warn you i'm there?
Oh the police. Unless i'm unlucky and theres an armed response unit around the corner i'm ok to escape with the no chase policy.
Dog is shot dead
Ummm hide the keys and i'll hurt you to show me where they are
Dummy keys...wow i'll never guess that...until the car doesn;t work. Then i'll come back and hurt you to show me where they are.
Tracker, fine, I'll still steal the car though and find out later.
Fight me and i'll shoot you and take the car anyway.
Ha , lol I have just sussed it.
I keep taking the subjects seriously and people are pulling my leg.
I think its hilarious that when you suggest looking after your property all of a sudden it seems to be claimed that every car ever stolen is done so at gunpoint.
I know there plenty of crime around but to suggest looking after your car will automatically result in being accosted by shotgun weilding psychos who will kill your dog , smash your security lights , kill your family and all for your audi a3 is really taking things toooooooooo faaarrrrrrrrrr.
I keep taking the subjects seriously and people are pulling my leg.
I think its hilarious that when you suggest looking after your property all of a sudden it seems to be claimed that every car ever stolen is done so at gunpoint.
I know there plenty of crime around but to suggest looking after your car will automatically result in being accosted by shotgun weilding psychos who will kill your dog , smash your security lights , kill your family and all for your audi a3 is really taking things toooooooooo faaarrrrrrrrrr.
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