Speeding. Need your advice
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tvrgit said:
Mr2Mike said:
paoloh said:
Went past 2 beat officers at warpish speed....
I take it, two officers have to be in a car to give evidence of speeding??
If the only evidence they have is their opinion then yes.I take it, two officers have to be in a car to give evidence of speeding??
What evidence would a single policeman on foot have to corroborate his opinion?
Edited by Mr2Mike on Friday 7th December 16:32
Two Police Officers, independently forming an opinion about the speed of an offending vehicle is sufficient to satisfy a charge of speeding, BUT it is for the Mags, as a tribunal of fact to consider how much weight should be attached to the evidence adduced. (Melhuish v Morris 1938). Magistrates had thrown the case out as no evidence of corroboration by speedometer and were directed to re-hear. (Wilkinson's Traffic Law)
One officer will form the corroboration (required in speeding case)for the other. The only point being that both should be in close proximity of each other when opinion formed.
This is all old case law and practice and modern requirements I would suspect would not be so satisfied.
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One officer will form the corroboration (required in speeding case)for the other. The only point being that both should be in close proximity of each other when opinion formed.
This is all old case law and practice and modern requirements I would suspect would not be so satisfied.
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tvrgit said:
Still no. Officers on foot can form an opinion.
I think I misinterpreted your comment. I guess you mean that an officer on foot that just happened to be near another officer in a car could both form an opinion that a driver was speeding? The OP didn't mention the presence of any other officers outside the car, but I take your point. I was trying to say that (at least) two officers opinions would be required, not that they had to both be in the car.
Edited by Mr2Mike on Friday 7th December 16:54
Mr2Mike said:
tvrgit said:
Still no. Officers on foot can form an opinion.
I think I misinterpreted your comment. I guess you mean that an officer on foot that just happened to be near another officer in a car could both form an opinion that a driver was speeding? The OP didn't mention the presence of any other officers outside the car, but I take your point. I was trying to say that (at least) two officers opinions would be required, not that they had to both be in the car.
Edited by Mr2Mike on Friday 7th December 16:54
Jules360 said:
Why bother with those expensive laser thingys? 2 Pold, 2 deck chairs, 1 clipboard, pen and paper.
'cos they're still cheaper than a clipboard, pen and paper (when ordered by a government department). And, anyway, the BiB are too busy putting pen to paper back at the nick - StreakyMr2Mike said:
Jules360 said:
Why bother with those expensive laser thingys? 2 Pold, 2 deck chairs, 1 clipboard, pen and paper.
The opinions of two officers carries less weight than the opinion of one corroborated by a speed measuring device. It also costs twice as much to run 
Jasandjules said:
Jules360 said:
Why bother with those expensive laser thingys? 2 Pold, 2 deck chairs, 1 clipboard, pen and paper.
Worrying, isn't it, that a Police Officer can "accurately" guage the speed of the offender when he is on foot. They must have superb training.......That is to say they don't have to say that was 57mph in a 30 limit for such a speed, only that such a speed was obviously far in excess of the 30 limit.
vonhosen said:
Jasandjules said:
Jules360 said:
Why bother with those expensive laser thingys? 2 Pold, 2 deck chairs, 1 clipboard, pen and paper.
Worrying, isn't it, that a Police Officer can "accurately" guage the speed of the offender when he is on foot. They must have superb training.......That is to say they don't have to say that was 57mph in a 30 limit for such a speed, only that such a speed was obviously far in excess of the 30 limit.
Ie: Z4m doing say 50 in 2nd with sport button depressed would appear to be going faster ( due to exhaust note ) than a Mondeo doing the same speed in 5th
Jules360 said:
Mr2Mike said:
Jules360 said:
Why bother with those expensive laser thingys? 2 Pold, 2 deck chairs, 1 clipboard, pen and paper.
The opinions of two officers carries less weight than the opinion of one corroborated by a speed measuring device. It also costs twice as much to run Jasandjules said:
Jules360 said:
Why bother with those expensive laser thingys? 2 Pold, 2 deck chairs, 1 clipboard, pen and paper.
Worrying, isn't it, that a Police Officer can "accurately" guage the speed of the offender when he is on foot. They must have superb training.......paoloh said:
But surely, different cars in a different gear doing the same speed may appear to be travelling at different speeds?
Ie: Z4m doing say 50 in 2nd with sport button depressed would appear to be going faster ( due to exhaust note ) than a Mondeo doing the same speed in 5th
It is not difficult to make an assessment if any vehicle is traveling well in excess of a limit.Ie: Z4m doing say 50 in 2nd with sport button depressed would appear to be going faster ( due to exhaust note ) than a Mondeo doing the same speed in 5th
Marginal speeds would not be considered by an officer under evidence of opinion.
paoloh said:
vonhosen said:
Jasandjules said:
Jules360 said:
Why bother with those expensive laser thingys? 2 Pold, 2 deck chairs, 1 clipboard, pen and paper.
Worrying, isn't it, that a Police Officer can "accurately" guage the speed of the offender when he is on foot. They must have superb training.......That is to say they don't have to say that was 57mph in a 30 limit for such a speed, only that such a speed was obviously far in excess of the 30 limit.
Ie: Z4m doing say 50 in 2nd with sport button depressed would appear to be going faster ( due to exhaust note ) than a Mondeo doing the same speed in 5th
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