Upcoming fuel protests?
Discussion
Okay a question that should be asked about the potential legal harm that might come to anyone taking part.
Seeing that we now have all our wonderful anti terrorist laws etc what heap of poo could someone expect if they became involved with these protests.
Basically is the government capable of throwing us in jail for 28days for standing outside a refinery
Seeing that we now have all our wonderful anti terrorist laws etc what heap of poo could someone expect if they became involved with these protests.
Basically is the government capable of throwing us in jail for 28days for standing outside a refinery
thinfourth2 said:
Okay a question that should be asked about the potential legal harm that might come to anyone taking part.
Seeing that we now have all our wonderful anti terrorist laws etc what heap of poo could someone expect if they became involved with these protests.
Basically is the government capable of throwing us in jail for 28days for standing outside a refinery
If it's made a "designated place" under the Terrorism Act, yes; but it's more likely that you will simply be removed and "detained" (as Mr Wolfgang was in Brighton two years ago) - StreakySeeing that we now have all our wonderful anti terrorist laws etc what heap of poo could someone expect if they became involved with these protests.
Basically is the government capable of throwing us in jail for 28days for standing outside a refinery
Edited by streaky on Monday 10th December 19:53
Ah, yes, another brilliant idea: heap inconvenience and stress on millions of innocent motorists, who are already being hurt by high fuel prices.
If someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
If someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
flemke said:
Ah, yes, another brilliant idea: heap inconvenience and stress on millions of innocent motorists, who are already being hurt by high fuel prices.
If someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
What got the headlines last time? The fuel protests that's what. Before that, nothing was happening. A bit like now really.If someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
If the diesel prices are making it non-profitable to deliver stuff by truck. Then they stop delivering it. If every* trucker just put down their keys for a week we could still drive around and do our business, but it'd certainly send the message when the shelves were empty.
- I think fuel, and some staple foods should still be delivered. Say bread, milk and beans. 3rd world type emergency foods.
Deltaf01 said:
Safety in numbers.
Don't be so sure! "Dozens" (according to Liberty) were detained under S44 when forming part of a reportedly peaceful protest against DSEi in September 2003 (use of these powers upheld by Court of Appeal in July '04). 150 protesters in three buses were detained and searched under the auspices of S60 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 when 10 miles from Fairford in March 2003 then forcibly escorted away from the site - Streakythinfourth2 said:
Okay a question that should be asked about the potential legal harm that might come to anyone taking part.
Seeing that we now have all our wonderful anti terrorist laws etc what heap of poo could someone expect if they became involved with these protests.
Basically is the government capable of throwing us in jail for 28days for standing outside a refinery
It can easily be classified as an act of terrorism under the defination so dentention without charge for 28 days.Seeing that we now have all our wonderful anti terrorist laws etc what heap of poo could someone expect if they became involved with these protests.
Basically is the government capable of throwing us in jail for 28days for standing outside a refinery
streaky said:
150 protesters in three buses were detained and searched under the auspices of S60 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 when 10 miles from Fairford in March 2003 then forcibly escorted away from the site
If that's the same event as publicised locally (Glos as per Fairford) those involved pursued the matter and the judgement went in their favour, now awaiting compensation iircETA here's one of many reports on the protest I referred to which I still think could be the same one:
The Law Lords have upheld the claim by the Fairford coaches passengers that the right to "freedom of expression and lawful assembly" were violated when the filth turned back coaches and forced their return to London during an anti war demonstration at RAF Fairford.
Back in March 2003, seven police forces were mobilised to frustrate a protest as the airbase from which US B52 bombers had commenced bombing runs on Iraqi cities as the invasion of Iraq was launched two days earlier.
Two coaches carrying some 120 protesters from London were stopped outside the village of Lechlade, near the Fairford airbase in Gloucestershire. After hours of searches and delays the passengers and the coaches were forced to return to London while hundreds of others were already protesting around the base.
The first round of court action had the High Court and Court of Appeal saying that although the police had (obviously) acted unlawfully in detaining the coaches, the police had not violated the protesters' rights to freedom of expression and lawful assembly.
However today ruling has been overturned unanimously by five Law Lords, who have also dismissed a cross-appeal by the police against the original "unlawful detention" decision.
Now civil damage claims against the police should provide a tidy chunk to fuel some outrageous holidays or top up some campaign funds for a while to come.
Apart from the fact that it's our taxes and not the PM's salary and pension fund that will pay the compo, that's a result.
Lostusernamedamn said:
flemke said:
Ah, yes, another brilliant idea: heap inconvenience and stress on millions of innocent motorists, who are already being hurt by high fuel prices.
If someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
What got the headlines last time? The fuel protests that's what. Before that, nothing was happening. A bit like now really.If someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
bluepolarbear said:
thinfourth2 said:
Okay a question that should be asked about the potential legal harm that might come to anyone taking part.
Seeing that we now have all our wonderful anti terrorist laws etc what heap of poo could someone expect if they became involved with these protests.
Basically is the government capable of throwing us in jail for 28days for standing outside a refinery
It can easily be classified as an act of terrorism under the defination so dentention without charge for 28 days.Seeing that we now have all our wonderful anti terrorist laws etc what heap of poo could someone expect if they became involved with these protests.
Basically is the government capable of throwing us in jail for 28days for standing outside a refinery
flemke said:
Ah, yes, another brilliant idea: heap inconvenience and stress on millions of innocent motorists, who are already being hurt by high fuel prices.
If someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
Well democracy is broken in this country so getting ourselves into the news is the only thing we have as the media is sadly more powerful then our voiceIf someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
thinfourth2 said:
flemke said:
Ah, yes, another brilliant idea: heap inconvenience and stress on millions of innocent motorists, who are already being hurt by high fuel prices.
If someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
Well democracy is broken in this country so getting ourselves into the news is the only thing we have as the media is sadly more powerful then our voiceIf someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
I agree though that the media is really running the country and can change people's opinion (look how they made Labour look so bad over a number of weeks when blunder after blunder was highlighted).
So if the media focuses on the issue, and they write in The Sun how bad labour is and it is all their fault, it could change an election result as all the labour voting readers might change their mind at the next election
So if the media focuses on the issue, and they write in The Sun how bad labour is and it is all their fault, it could change an election result as all the labour voting readers might change their mind at the next election
Today is the second day of a National five day strike in Italy, by lorry drivers against the rising price that Fuel costs.Motorways blocked by lorrys parked up, and petrol stations closed due to no fuel.Supermarkets will be closing due to lack of supply.
Wonder if the Italian Govt is sending in the troops ala UK democracy and freedom of speech????
Wonder if the Italian Govt is sending in the troops ala UK democracy and freedom of speech????
I know it's inconvenient but frankly this is another step towards the civil unrest that is well overdue.
Good luck to them -- I hope the fear will create the same panic buying that caused a run out last time, and all the commensurate inconvenience.
You see we are standing by as this rotten government are oppressing us with their constant stream of bullsh1t -- speed cameras, spin, propaganda, taxes, sleaze, council tax, rubbish collection, petrol con, parking, congestion, obviously the *huge* global warming tax scandal, immigration, dilution of the national identity, education, policing, id cards, europe... The list goes on.
If only we collectively started tipping sh1t over and setting fire to stuff they would hear that we're done with it and will not stand for it any more.
These fuel protesters might just be a fantastic warm up act for the main event. Good luck to 'em.
SM
Good luck to them -- I hope the fear will create the same panic buying that caused a run out last time, and all the commensurate inconvenience.
You see we are standing by as this rotten government are oppressing us with their constant stream of bullsh1t -- speed cameras, spin, propaganda, taxes, sleaze, council tax, rubbish collection, petrol con, parking, congestion, obviously the *huge* global warming tax scandal, immigration, dilution of the national identity, education, policing, id cards, europe... The list goes on.
If only we collectively started tipping sh1t over and setting fire to stuff they would hear that we're done with it and will not stand for it any more.
These fuel protesters might just be a fantastic warm up act for the main event. Good luck to 'em.
SM
flemke said:
Ah, yes, another brilliant idea: heap inconvenience and stress on millions of innocent motorists, who are already being hurt by high fuel prices.
If someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
You get my vote.If someone's got a problem with the price of fuel (and they might well, seeing as how Double Dipper Brown is making more money both off the price of crude oil itself and from his higher fuel duty), let them challenge him in Westminster, or through the news media.
Motorists are the ones who are already suffering, so FFS don't take it out on them just because they are not in a position to fight back.
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