Advice needed on incident
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I'm hoping someone on the PH massive will be able to advise on a situation my daughter and friends have found themselves in. I'll try to keep the story short but I'd like to include relevant facts so please bear with me:-
About a month ago my daughter was driving in a town centre, having only just passed her driving test and displaying the 'P' plates. She indicated to turn right, the wrong way into a one way street, but realising her mistake, stopped as she was turning. An Asian chap in a red Mercedes behind (right behind by all accounts) sounded his horn several times so she panicked and proceded to turn into the one way street. He then drove on to the next street and himself turned right then right again bringing him to the junction with the one way street my daughter was now in.
This junction was only 50 yards or so off the main road and my daughter was intending to turn around there. As she went to turn left, he turned right, cutting the corner and blocked my daughter's progress, whereupon he then wound his window down and proceeded to verbally abuse the occupants of the car (4 young girls) calling them in particular 'f**king stupid b**ches'
He didn't move out of the way, so my daughter's friend (whose car this was) got out and went over to talk to him and an argument started as to why he'd blocked their path and why would he not move out of the way. Her sister then got out in order to get her back in the car as the argument was getting a little heated. My daughter then got out of the car and tried to explain to him that she was a new driver and panicked when he was right behind her, but he wouldn't move, said he was calling the police, got a mobile phone out and proceeded to talk to, presumably, the police.
By this time there were a few pedestrians around who were also shouting at this chap to stop being awkward and to move his car. After a few minutes, he moved out of the way (while still on his phone) and my daughter drove by. For them, that was the end of that and this story was related to me the very next day.
This week, my daughter, her friend and her sister were all arrested and charged with affray, criminal damage and racist abuse.
This chap has said:-
1. Car had 2 girls and 2 lads in - wrong - 4 girls (one was only 10)
2. All got out and abused and kicked his car - only 3 got out and no one touched his car
3. My daughter picked a bottle up and threatened him with it - lies
4. He was called a 'bl**k b****ard - I know my daughter and I believe her when she told me that absolutely no one racially insulted him.
5. He was in fear of his life. - can't comment on that one.
Well if you are still with me up to this point, thanks for your patience. Other points to note are that the car was all legal, taxed, insured, etc. He'd obviously made a note of their registration number but they didn't his. They all refused the services of a duty solicitor as, in their eyes, they hadn't done anything wrong (I said this was a mistake). For 2 nights after they were arrested, an Asian chap in a red Mercedes has been seen parked outside the car owners house but they didn't get to take the registration number down as he drove off when the curtains were opened.
They are now all on bail until the end of February while the police investigate further. They are all upset and frustrated by it all as, as far as they are concerned, he was the instigator of the whole sorry event. The worrying thing is the appearance of the car at the house although it may be a coincidence.
Can anyone advise as to what to expect or how to proceed. It's my daughter's 21st at the end of February too and I'd love this all to go away before then as she is particularly upset by the whole thing.
About a month ago my daughter was driving in a town centre, having only just passed her driving test and displaying the 'P' plates. She indicated to turn right, the wrong way into a one way street, but realising her mistake, stopped as she was turning. An Asian chap in a red Mercedes behind (right behind by all accounts) sounded his horn several times so she panicked and proceded to turn into the one way street. He then drove on to the next street and himself turned right then right again bringing him to the junction with the one way street my daughter was now in.
This junction was only 50 yards or so off the main road and my daughter was intending to turn around there. As she went to turn left, he turned right, cutting the corner and blocked my daughter's progress, whereupon he then wound his window down and proceeded to verbally abuse the occupants of the car (4 young girls) calling them in particular 'f**king stupid b**ches'
He didn't move out of the way, so my daughter's friend (whose car this was) got out and went over to talk to him and an argument started as to why he'd blocked their path and why would he not move out of the way. Her sister then got out in order to get her back in the car as the argument was getting a little heated. My daughter then got out of the car and tried to explain to him that she was a new driver and panicked when he was right behind her, but he wouldn't move, said he was calling the police, got a mobile phone out and proceeded to talk to, presumably, the police.
By this time there were a few pedestrians around who were also shouting at this chap to stop being awkward and to move his car. After a few minutes, he moved out of the way (while still on his phone) and my daughter drove by. For them, that was the end of that and this story was related to me the very next day.
This week, my daughter, her friend and her sister were all arrested and charged with affray, criminal damage and racist abuse.
This chap has said:-
1. Car had 2 girls and 2 lads in - wrong - 4 girls (one was only 10)
2. All got out and abused and kicked his car - only 3 got out and no one touched his car
3. My daughter picked a bottle up and threatened him with it - lies
4. He was called a 'bl**k b****ard - I know my daughter and I believe her when she told me that absolutely no one racially insulted him.
5. He was in fear of his life. - can't comment on that one.
Well if you are still with me up to this point, thanks for your patience. Other points to note are that the car was all legal, taxed, insured, etc. He'd obviously made a note of their registration number but they didn't his. They all refused the services of a duty solicitor as, in their eyes, they hadn't done anything wrong (I said this was a mistake). For 2 nights after they were arrested, an Asian chap in a red Mercedes has been seen parked outside the car owners house but they didn't get to take the registration number down as he drove off when the curtains were opened.
They are now all on bail until the end of February while the police investigate further. They are all upset and frustrated by it all as, as far as they are concerned, he was the instigator of the whole sorry event. The worrying thing is the appearance of the car at the house although it may be a coincidence.
Can anyone advise as to what to expect or how to proceed. It's my daughter's 21st at the end of February too and I'd love this all to go away before then as she is particularly upset by the whole thing.
Difficult one this as you a guy crying racial abuse e.t.c.
Try to find any witnesses to apart from the girls involved, are there any shops there maybe a customer or shop owner saw it, obviously get a solicitor, do not get the kids to fine tune the story, discrepencies in stories to some degree are expected,emphasis the inconsistancies in his story.
Best of luck
Try to find any witnesses to apart from the girls involved, are there any shops there maybe a customer or shop owner saw it, obviously get a solicitor, do not get the kids to fine tune the story, discrepencies in stories to some degree are expected,emphasis the inconsistancies in his story.
Best of luck
How did he go from being behind them to getting in front without deliberating turning that way? i.e. if he wanted to go down that one way street it would have brought him back to where he started (stuck behind your daughter). It sounds obvious that he has therefore started the indicent off. Why did he not drive off when attacked? Why did he block the road?
As above, get any CCTV and the names and addy's of any witnesses. Ask plod if there are any independant witnesses as well.
Definately get a half decent solicitor involved, get your story across, and ask for him to be charged.
As above, get any CCTV and the names and addy's of any witnesses. Ask plod if there are any independant witnesses as well.
Definately get a half decent solicitor involved, get your story across, and ask for him to be charged.
Roy the Boy said:
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This week, my daughter, her friend and her sister were all arrested and charged with affray, criminal damage and racist abuse.
This chap has said:-
1. Car had 2 girls and 2 lads in - wrong - 4 girls (one was only 10)
Apologies for the editted re-quote, but this stood out to me; The police have arrested and charged 3 females when the report was of 2 females and 2 males? I think I'd be inclined to get a solicitor involved, and start by asking for an explaination of this discrepancy. Providing the three girls stick to the truth the other bloke will get caught out by his lies.This week, my daughter, her friend and her sister were all arrested and charged with affray, criminal damage and racist abuse.
This chap has said:-
1. Car had 2 girls and 2 lads in - wrong - 4 girls (one was only 10)
Go and see a Legal Aid solicitor with a decent criminal practice.
Regrettably this cvnt has used the race card, which will make things very difficult. The police must know who he is as he has made a complaint. It's an unfortaunte state of affairs that this card is played at every opportunity - it gives non whites more rights than whites and is part of the reason there is so much hatred in this country.
In the end I suspect this will be dropped, as the police will likely make enquiries in the local area and realise he's fibbing. But it will take time.
Go and see a solicitor asap.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Monday 24th December 11:46
What an appalling situation. I hope you get it sorted soon and life gets back to normal. Morons like this need to be taken down, is there any way you can turn the tables...? Perhaps report him and follow up with legal action...? If this was my daughter, I'd make sure I knackered this guy in every way possible.
Not that I would recommend it, but if you want to fight fire with fire - Should anyone in your daughter's car have captured the registration of the chap's car, I'd fill out the relevant disclosure forms with the DVLA, pay the £10 and then get his address. You can do all sorts of stuff then to get him back and make his live as much of a misery as he has your daughters and her friends...
Not that I would recommend it, but if you want to fight fire with fire - Should anyone in your daughter's car have captured the registration of the chap's car, I'd fill out the relevant disclosure forms with the DVLA, pay the £10 and then get his address. You can do all sorts of stuff then to get him back and make his live as much of a misery as he has your daughters and her friends...
Mattt said:
Roop said:
You can do all sorts of stuff then to get him back and make his live as much of a misery as he has your daughters and her friends...
Not the best idea.Someone screwed me over about six years ago. I waited until the mess was sorted, then waited a little more. Then I called the HMRC Grassline and reported him and his son for VAT fraud.
They're inside for Xmas. Xmas joy for me!
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Monday 24th December 12:19
Vesuvius 996 said:
Mattt said:
Roop said:
You can do all sorts of stuff then to get him back and make his live as much of a misery as he has your daughters and her friends...
Not the best idea.Someone screwed me over about six years ago. I waited until the mess was sorted, then waited a little more. Then I called the HMRC Grassline and reported him and his son for VAT fraud.
They're inside for Xmas. Xmas joy for me!
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Monday 24th December 12:19
Chrispy Porker said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
Mattt said:
Roop said:
You can do all sorts of stuff then to get him back and make his live as much of a misery as he has your daughters and her friends...
Not the best idea.Someone screwed me over about six years ago. I waited until the mess was sorted, then waited a little more. Then I called the HMRC Grassline and reported him and his son for VAT fraud.
They're inside for Xmas. Xmas joy for me!
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Monday 24th December 12:19
ETA: forgot the important bit.
to the OP as others have said a solicitor would be my first port of call, sounds like the bloke is a total arse & his actions are totally out of order.
i think & im sure the plod here will say if im right or wrong, that the reason they have to arrest in these cases is so the correct cautions are in force. ie if they just had a chat about what happened it wouldnt be evidence.
Edited by Hooli on Monday 24th December 15:29
Mattt said:
Roop said:
You can do all sorts of stuff then to get him back and make his live as much of a misery as he has your daughters and her friends...
Not the best idea.
There is something wrong with this story.
I think it unlikely they would have arrested the four girls on the say so of simply this chap.
If that were true I could get anyone I wanted arrested.
I think it likely this chap has a ace up his sleeve you don't know about.
I think it likely the chap has a witness, either real or fabricated back his side of the event.
If the police are constructing a case for the CPS, I think it highly likely they have already talked to one of the nearby residents or have an independant witness willing stand on this chaps side. I doubt they would have arrested four people and be willing to go ahead with a case on simply this guys word alone.
I think it unlikely they would have arrested the four girls on the say so of simply this chap.
If that were true I could get anyone I wanted arrested.
I think it likely this chap has a ace up his sleeve you don't know about.
I think it likely the chap has a witness, either real or fabricated back his side of the event.
If the police are constructing a case for the CPS, I think it highly likely they have already talked to one of the nearby residents or have an independant witness willing stand on this chaps side. I doubt they would have arrested four people and be willing to go ahead with a case on simply this guys word alone.
julian64 said:
There is something wrong with this story.
I think it unlikely they would have arrested the four girls on the say so of simply this chap.
If that were true I could get anyone I wanted arrested.
I think it likely this chap has a ace up his sleeve you don't know about.
I think it likely the chap has a witness, either real or fabricated back his side of the event
Indeed. If the police accept that there were two girls and two boys in the car, then howcome they have questioned the three grown up girls, and no boys?I think it unlikely they would have arrested the four girls on the say so of simply this chap.
If that were true I could get anyone I wanted arrested.
I think it likely this chap has a ace up his sleeve you don't know about.
I think it likely the chap has a witness, either real or fabricated back his side of the event
I think they are on bail pending Police enquiries which will not resulting in any further action, (NFA), subject to what evidence the Police will actually find.
Edited by RichBurley on Monday 24th December 16:09
What a shitter - as everyone has said, CCTV is your best hope.
Makes me wonder how a scumbag like him can afford such a nice car. There is bound to be a witness! Could you not (it's a bit Famous Five) put up flyers in the area appealing for witnesses? That's probably illegal but might work.
If they kicked his car, where is the damage? I know from someone kicking my car reasonably lightly that the panel folded up like an accordian! The Police will be taking this seriously as they are extra cautious when dealing with "racial" incidents, so as not to come into the firing line themselves.
Further more - his statement is fabricated, so why not tell the Police that his car has been spotted hanging about outside the house. Surely someone who was so intimidated by your daughter's group wouldn't be hanging about round their house? His story is just words, so is your daughters, so why not add that to your case? You don't have any 100% proof yet of his car, but the cops don't have any 100% proof of what your daughter (allegedly) did either. So make a complaint about him too.
The Police will have spent time with him and someone who gets on like such a w
r on the roads, probably isn't that great face to face either. The cops investigating probably don't like him either.
The truth will out, and even if it doesn't, there's a big cloud of shit waiting for him somewhere. Hope you have a good Christmas regardless.
Makes me wonder how a scumbag like him can afford such a nice car. There is bound to be a witness! Could you not (it's a bit Famous Five) put up flyers in the area appealing for witnesses? That's probably illegal but might work.
If they kicked his car, where is the damage? I know from someone kicking my car reasonably lightly that the panel folded up like an accordian! The Police will be taking this seriously as they are extra cautious when dealing with "racial" incidents, so as not to come into the firing line themselves.
Further more - his statement is fabricated, so why not tell the Police that his car has been spotted hanging about outside the house. Surely someone who was so intimidated by your daughter's group wouldn't be hanging about round their house? His story is just words, so is your daughters, so why not add that to your case? You don't have any 100% proof yet of his car, but the cops don't have any 100% proof of what your daughter (allegedly) did either. So make a complaint about him too.
The Police will have spent time with him and someone who gets on like such a w
r on the roads, probably isn't that great face to face either. The cops investigating probably don't like him either.The truth will out, and even if it doesn't, there's a big cloud of shit waiting for him somewhere. Hope you have a good Christmas regardless.
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