Do I Have A Case?
Discussion
Happy new year!
Like alot of people I went out and celebrated the new year in typical British form. So, my car (I was elected driver
) got left in a car park.
When i collected it today I had a parking fine.
Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
However, the details of my car or more to the point a detail was wrong.
The parking attendant had put my car colour down as grey when my car is bright blue and red.
Is this a decent enough case for a challenge or do you think I should just cough up the £30 fine?
Like alot of people I went out and celebrated the new year in typical British form. So, my car (I was elected driver
) got left in a car park.When i collected it today I had a parking fine.
Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
However, the details of my car or more to the point a detail was wrong.
The parking attendant had put my car colour down as grey when my car is bright blue and red.
Is this a decent enough case for a challenge or do you think I should just cough up the £30 fine?
Always, always worth a challenge IMO as they often can't be bothered with the process of reply and reply and reply.
I once had a similar case - they had put the wrong colour down on mine when I was parked on double yellows.
I challenged the ticket on the strength that my car was a different colour and that the industrial estate I was parked on was not used on the day in question.
I got off with the fine. £30 saved just for being bothered to write a quick, polite letter.
I once had a similar case - they had put the wrong colour down on mine when I was parked on double yellows.
I challenged the ticket on the strength that my car was a different colour and that the industrial estate I was parked on was not used on the day in question.
I got off with the fine. £30 saved just for being bothered to write a quick, polite letter.
the only problem is a lot of traffic wardens now take photos of you car
ask for a photo if not argue the case 50/50 of winning
what do have to lose £30 or win it costs nothing to argue the fine
have fleet of vans and drivers play this game every week . 60% WIN RATE BUT it is getting harder to win
hope this helps
ask for a photo if not argue the case 50/50 of winning
what do have to lose £30 or win it costs nothing to argue the fine
have fleet of vans and drivers play this game every week . 60% WIN RATE BUT it is getting harder to win
hope this helps
the only problem is a lot of traffic wardens now take photos of you car
ask for a photo if not argue the case 50/50 of winning
what do have to lose £30 or win it costs nothing to argue the fine
have fleet of vans and drivers play this game every week . 60% WIN RATE BUT it is getting harder to win
hope this helps
ask for a photo if not argue the case 50/50 of winning
what do have to lose £30 or win it costs nothing to argue the fine
have fleet of vans and drivers play this game every week . 60% WIN RATE BUT it is getting harder to win
hope this helps
The first thing you need to check is whether it is a council car park or not, because there are different laws that apply to them. Were there any council signs up? IS the ticket issued on behalf of the council, for example.
If not, then you could send a letter similar to the one that follows below. Private car parks rely on the law of contract and the law says that the onus is on the operator to prove that a contract has been formed.
Here is the letter template:
Dear Sirs,
I am in receipt of your invoice for parking at the XXX car park on the XXX. I note you have written to me as the registered keeper of the vehicle. Please be advised that as the registered keeper of the vehicle concerned that I have no liability whatsoever to pay your invoice. You need to contact the driver and invoice them directly.
Please do not correspond with me any further on this matter except to confirm that you will be not taking the matter any further with me as the registered keeper of the vehicle.
Yours sincerely,
You'll probably get a letter back saying that the registered keeper IS liable. That is not true. The registered keeper is only liable for charges for decriminalised parking offences on-street.
The line you are taking here is that it is a civil matter. The contract could only be formed between the car park company concerned and the driver of the vehicle at the time.
Whilst the police can make you tell them who the driver is (S172 RTRA), if a private company asks, you shrug your shoulders and say "can't remember".
They'll bluster and threaten court; hold your line and they'll back off eventually.
If not, then you could send a letter similar to the one that follows below. Private car parks rely on the law of contract and the law says that the onus is on the operator to prove that a contract has been formed.
Here is the letter template:
Dear Sirs,
I am in receipt of your invoice for parking at the XXX car park on the XXX. I note you have written to me as the registered keeper of the vehicle. Please be advised that as the registered keeper of the vehicle concerned that I have no liability whatsoever to pay your invoice. You need to contact the driver and invoice them directly.
Please do not correspond with me any further on this matter except to confirm that you will be not taking the matter any further with me as the registered keeper of the vehicle.
Yours sincerely,
You'll probably get a letter back saying that the registered keeper IS liable. That is not true. The registered keeper is only liable for charges for decriminalised parking offences on-street.
The line you are taking here is that it is a civil matter. The contract could only be formed between the car park company concerned and the driver of the vehicle at the time.
Whilst the police can make you tell them who the driver is (S172 RTRA), if a private company asks, you shrug your shoulders and say "can't remember".
They'll bluster and threaten court; hold your line and they'll back off eventually.
On Time said:
When i collected it today I had a parking fine.
Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
So pay up, and stop looking for ways to weasel out of it. If you were innocent then fair enough to look for flaws in their case to prove your innocence, but you know you are guilty. Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
GreenV8S said:
On Time said:
When i collected it today I had a parking fine.
Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
So pay up, and stop looking for ways to weasel out of it. If you were innocent then fair enough to look for flaws in their case to prove your innocence, but you know you are guilty. Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
Be a man and take the hit. It's £30 FFS.
Thanks to millsee and others
They still made a mistake.
Its like if you get mischanged at a shop, I doubt you tell them and give them back the difference.
GreenV8S said:
On Time said:
When i collected it today I had a parking fine.
Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
So pay up, and stop looking for ways to weasel out of it. If you were innocent then fair enough to look for flaws in their case to prove your innocence, but you know you are guilty. Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
Its like if you get mischanged at a shop, I doubt you tell them and give them back the difference.
LaSarthe+Back said:
GreenV8S said:
On Time said:
When i collected it today I had a parking fine.
Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
So pay up, and stop looking for ways to weasel out of it. If you were innocent then fair enough to look for flaws in their case to prove your innocence, but you know you are guilty. Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
Be a man and take the hit. It's £30 FFS.
On Time said:
Its like if you get mischanged at a shop, I doubt you tell them and give them back the difference.
I don't see how it's remotely like that. The fine seems perfectly reasonable if you were really parked there. (OK it seems mean to enforce it at such a time, but they do have that right.) Time to stop winging and pay up rather than look for ways to weasel out of your liabilities.GreenV8S said:
On Time said:
When i collected it today I had a parking fine.
Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
So pay up, and stop looking for ways to weasel out of it. If you were innocent then fair enough to look for flaws in their case to prove your innocence, but you know you are guilty. Fair enough, I'd parked there, I hadn't paid for the two hours in the morning so its my fault and as I said, fair enough.
He admits he was parked there and in theory deserves his fine.
However most wardens etc are pretty zero tolerance and nazi-esque in their approach. Some even appear to outright lie! So you have to play the system their way, if they haven't complied with the law down to the letter then why cough up for an invalid ticket?
However most wardens etc are pretty zero tolerance and nazi-esque in their approach. Some even appear to outright lie! So you have to play the system their way, if they haven't complied with the law down to the letter then why cough up for an invalid ticket?
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