We need magistrates from the real world please
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7171154...
So straddling the hard shoulder at 10mph whilst "jamming on the brakes" gets you a seven day ban because you have multiple sclorosis.
Safely doing 120mph on a clear dry road in a well maintained car gets you upwards of 14 days -- sometimes well upwards of 14 days -- because you have somewhere to be.
Is it too much to ask that people charged with handing down judgements that have serious implications for people and their families have more than two brain cells to rub together? Hmmm?
SM
So straddling the hard shoulder at 10mph whilst "jamming on the brakes" gets you a seven day ban because you have multiple sclorosis.
Safely doing 120mph on a clear dry road in a well maintained car gets you upwards of 14 days -- sometimes well upwards of 14 days -- because you have somewhere to be.
Is it too much to ask that people charged with handing down judgements that have serious implications for people and their families have more than two brain cells to rub together? Hmmm?
SM
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Seems a reasonable verdict making her retake the test before being able to drive again. Although I don't believe the test will include include motorway driving???
Seems a reasonable verdict making her retake the test before being able to drive again. Although I don't believe the test will include include motorway driving???
jacko lah said:
having been banned and having to notify her insurance company of her disability should put her premium sky high and put her off the road forever.
Perhaps so, but the magistrate should make it certain she's off the road forever. Are you less dead if you pile into someone doing this because they're disabled?SM
jacko lah said:
having been banned and having to notify her insurance company of her disability should put her premium sky high and put her off the road forever.
Her insurance co. should already know about it, if not, her policy will have been invalid and she ought to get done for driving without insurance as well......And Mags living in the real world? Very little chance of that I am afraid.
A MASKED man who armed himself with an axe before trying to rob an antique store in Trowbridge has walked free from court.
John Lynch, of Pickwick Road, Corsham and an accomplice stole the weapon from a hardware store minutes before covering their faces and trying to steal from the neighbouring shop.
But a judge at Swindon crown court told the 27-year-old: "I'm a softie" before imposing the sentence.
advertisementRecorder Duncan Adam imposed a one year suspended sentence to allow Lynch, who was on a drug rehabilitation order at the time of the offence, to go on another one.
Robin Shellard, prosecuting, said on Friday June 15 Lynch and a second man, Barry Middleton, were spotted stealing an axe from Wilkinson's in Trowbridge.
He said the theft took place at 12.46pm and at about 1pm Lynch and another man tried to rob The Old Sweet Works in nearby Church Street.
Michael Lojko, the shop's owner, was in the back of the premises when he heard a shout from the front and went to investigate.
He was confronted by a hooded man wearing a mask who demanded: "Let's have the money."
Mr Shellard said: "Mr Lojko was indignant rather than frightened and pushed him back."
He then saw a second masked and hooded man who rushed forward and grabbed at the victim's shirt pocket saying Give us the money'.
Following a short struggle the two men ran from the shop, the police and the axe and a bit of cloth with Lynch's DNA on it were recovered.
Both men were arrested and questioned by the police but made no comment in interview.
Lynch pleaded guilty to theft and attempted robbery. The court heard he had a history of crime including two robberies.
Middleton, 29, of Magnolia Rise, Calne, admitted the theft but pleaded not guilty to the more serious offence which was dropped by the Crown.
Paul Grumbar, defending, said his client felt a sense of grievance that he was standing alone to face sentence for the crime.
He said the other man was the driving force behind the offence and Lynch had stupidly gone along with it to help him out.
The two men had been on the same drug rehabilitation course and were going to get their luncheon vouchers when the offence took place, he said.
At the time he said Lynch had plenty of money in the bank and was days from the end of successfully completing his six month order.
However Middleton, he said, had recently been convicted of having drugs so was still using heroin needing money.
He added that Lynch was nervous about coping when the order ended and was "befuddled" on the day of the offence because of tranquilisers he had been prescribed.
Mr Grumbar said Lynch was on the verge of starting a new life with his partner and urged the court to consider not sending him back to prison, where he had spent six months on remand.
Agreeing the judge told Mr Grumbar: I'm a softie, you've persuaded me. I'm persuaded; I'm going to stick my neck out."
He said the defendant's exemplary pre-sentence report, family commitments, good references, grievance over the other man and to stop prison overcrowding.
"I am going to take the cheaper option which the Treasury I hope will approve of," he added.
Saying the case was exceptional, he said "It is important that members of the public in Wiltshire know that if someone goes into a shop with an axe with hoods, demands money, threatens violence, that the culprits will go to immediate custodial sentences."
As well as the one year suspended sentence he imposed a 9pm to 6am curfew for five months, a six month drug rehabilitation requirement, an 18 month supervision order and 100 hours of unpaid work.
The judge told him "I am sticking my neck out for you. I may well receive criticism if the matter is taken to a higher court, I don't know. My reputation is being put on the line for you."
Judges/Magistrates - real world - never gonna happen. Unfortunately
John Lynch, of Pickwick Road, Corsham and an accomplice stole the weapon from a hardware store minutes before covering their faces and trying to steal from the neighbouring shop.
But a judge at Swindon crown court told the 27-year-old: "I'm a softie" before imposing the sentence.
advertisementRecorder Duncan Adam imposed a one year suspended sentence to allow Lynch, who was on a drug rehabilitation order at the time of the offence, to go on another one.
Robin Shellard, prosecuting, said on Friday June 15 Lynch and a second man, Barry Middleton, were spotted stealing an axe from Wilkinson's in Trowbridge.
He said the theft took place at 12.46pm and at about 1pm Lynch and another man tried to rob The Old Sweet Works in nearby Church Street.
Michael Lojko, the shop's owner, was in the back of the premises when he heard a shout from the front and went to investigate.
He was confronted by a hooded man wearing a mask who demanded: "Let's have the money."
Mr Shellard said: "Mr Lojko was indignant rather than frightened and pushed him back."
He then saw a second masked and hooded man who rushed forward and grabbed at the victim's shirt pocket saying Give us the money'.
Following a short struggle the two men ran from the shop, the police and the axe and a bit of cloth with Lynch's DNA on it were recovered.
Both men were arrested and questioned by the police but made no comment in interview.
Lynch pleaded guilty to theft and attempted robbery. The court heard he had a history of crime including two robberies.
Middleton, 29, of Magnolia Rise, Calne, admitted the theft but pleaded not guilty to the more serious offence which was dropped by the Crown.
Paul Grumbar, defending, said his client felt a sense of grievance that he was standing alone to face sentence for the crime.
He said the other man was the driving force behind the offence and Lynch had stupidly gone along with it to help him out.
The two men had been on the same drug rehabilitation course and were going to get their luncheon vouchers when the offence took place, he said.
At the time he said Lynch had plenty of money in the bank and was days from the end of successfully completing his six month order.
However Middleton, he said, had recently been convicted of having drugs so was still using heroin needing money.
He added that Lynch was nervous about coping when the order ended and was "befuddled" on the day of the offence because of tranquilisers he had been prescribed.
Mr Grumbar said Lynch was on the verge of starting a new life with his partner and urged the court to consider not sending him back to prison, where he had spent six months on remand.
Agreeing the judge told Mr Grumbar: I'm a softie, you've persuaded me. I'm persuaded; I'm going to stick my neck out."
He said the defendant's exemplary pre-sentence report, family commitments, good references, grievance over the other man and to stop prison overcrowding.
"I am going to take the cheaper option which the Treasury I hope will approve of," he added.
Saying the case was exceptional, he said "It is important that members of the public in Wiltshire know that if someone goes into a shop with an axe with hoods, demands money, threatens violence, that the culprits will go to immediate custodial sentences."
As well as the one year suspended sentence he imposed a 9pm to 6am curfew for five months, a six month drug rehabilitation requirement, an 18 month supervision order and 100 hours of unpaid work.
The judge told him "I am sticking my neck out for you. I may well receive criticism if the matter is taken to a higher court, I don't know. My reputation is being put on the line for you."
Judges/Magistrates - real world - never gonna happen. Unfortunately
Edited by JamesFiesta on Friday 4th January 15:20
I rather thought that the point of magistrates was that they are from the "real world".
Admitedly there is a point to be made about those seeking power should not be given it but someone has to be doing it.
I would concede that JP's usually come from a middle class background and are both conservative and Conservative but they are at least selected from the general public.
High court judges on the other had are usually ex QC's, public school, from a privileged background and almost without exception stinking rich and detached from any meaningful reality.
I seem to remember Judge James Pickles describing a woman wearing a short skirt as "contributory negligence to rape" FFS.
ETA: The woman doing 10mph on the motorway should be banned for life of course - silly bint.
Admitedly there is a point to be made about those seeking power should not be given it but someone has to be doing it.
I would concede that JP's usually come from a middle class background and are both conservative and Conservative but they are at least selected from the general public.
High court judges on the other had are usually ex QC's, public school, from a privileged background and almost without exception stinking rich and detached from any meaningful reality.
I seem to remember Judge James Pickles describing a woman wearing a short skirt as "contributory negligence to rape" FFS.
ETA: The woman doing 10mph on the motorway should be banned for life of course - silly bint.
Edited by brum on Friday 4th January 15:28
Edited by brum on Friday 4th January 15:28
supermono said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7171154...
So straddling the hard shoulder at 10mph whilst "jamming on the brakes" gets you a seven day ban because you have multiple sclorosis.
Safely doing 120mph on a clear dry road in a well maintained car gets you upwards of 14 days -- sometimes well upwards of 14 days -- because you have somewhere to be.
Is it too much to ask that people charged with handing down judgements that have serious implications for people and their families have more than two brain cells to rub together? Hmmm?
SM
no, it gets you a ban becasue you're a So straddling the hard shoulder at 10mph whilst "jamming on the brakes" gets you a seven day ban because you have multiple sclorosis.
Safely doing 120mph on a clear dry road in a well maintained car gets you upwards of 14 days -- sometimes well upwards of 14 days -- because you have somewhere to be.
Is it too much to ask that people charged with handing down judgements that have serious implications for people and their families have more than two brain cells to rub together? Hmmm?
SM
ing dangerous liability on the roads and have done something very stupid that could have very easliy caused a serious accident. 
banned for having MS. 
fat tony said:
Didn't ban the muppet with Ms and heart condition that ran me off the road (found out in court). But they did fine me £1800, 8 points and an aoabh charge for knocking him out after he laughed at me and said"these things happen" at the side of the road!
What is the world coming to when you cannot legally knock out an MS sufferer with a heart condition at the side of the road.
brum said:
fat tony said:
Didn't ban the muppet with Ms and heart condition that ran me off the road (found out in court). But they did fine me £1800, 8 points and an aoabh charge for knocking him out after he laughed at me and said"these things happen" at the side of the road!
What is the world coming to when you cannot legally knock out an MS sufferer with a heart condition at the side of the road.
SeX pESt said:
brum said:
fat tony said:
Didn't ban the muppet with Ms and heart condition that ran me off the road (found out in court). But they did fine me £1800, 8 points and an aoabh charge for knocking him out after he laughed at me and said"these things happen" at the side of the road!
What is the world coming to when you cannot legally knock out an MS sufferer with a heart condition at the side of the road.This type of sentance for driving incompetence should be handed down far more frequently IMHO. Just because she suffers from MS should not automatically mean anything, though surely its a DVLA notifiable condition? that I would have thought worthy of licence revocation if its that bad?
Brakes comments are laughabl it really shows that they have no idea what they are on about, incompetence on anyones part means liabilty to themselves & others. That = risk = danger = death & destruction. Brake should be wholeheartedly behind this sentence & make it clear incompetent drivers are not welcome on the roads.
Brakes comments are laughabl it really shows that they have no idea what they are on about, incompetence on anyones part means liabilty to themselves & others. That = risk = danger = death & destruction. Brake should be wholeheartedly behind this sentence & make it clear incompetent drivers are not welcome on the roads.
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