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It's a pretty grey area - but I think it's the case that "passing on the left" in and of itself is ok, it's when you move left, pass somebody, and then move back out that you're asking for trouble.
If you're continuing, in your lane at a reasonable speed, and happen to pass slower moving traffic on your right - then that is *possibly* ok.
If you're continuing, in your lane at a reasonable speed, and happen to pass slower moving traffic on your right - then that is *possibly* ok.
Parrot of Doom said:
I have almost given up overtaking MLMs. I find myself much more often just undertaking them. I really can't be arsed with their moronic attitude any longer.
If I'm doing 70 in lane one then I'll keep going - if they can't do the correct speed in the correct lane then 
GiorgioGT said:
I am not talking about doing 80 down the middle lane here.
Say I am in the middle lane doing 60-70, and some numpty is only doing 60 in the outside lane causing a tailback does that still count as undertaking?
Try lane 1, not only does it free up the middle lane you were in, it puts a good few feet between the two of you thenSay I am in the middle lane doing 60-70, and some numpty is only doing 60 in the outside lane causing a tailback does that still count as undertaking?
I use lane one more than the others. I also pass more cars than the traffic in the other 2+ lanes.
IMO, it's infinitely safer to stay in lane 1 rather than cross three lanes of traffic, try to filter into a line of brain dead tailgating twonks in lane 3+ to pass some numbskull feckwitt in lane 2 who can't think further than the foorprint of their own Micra then not be able to get back to lane 1 because of aforementioned lines of traffic and Micra drivers.
I like Lane 1. There's less traffic there. And those that are there tend to have better manners!!
IMO, it's infinitely safer to stay in lane 1 rather than cross three lanes of traffic, try to filter into a line of brain dead tailgating twonks in lane 3+ to pass some numbskull feckwitt in lane 2 who can't think further than the foorprint of their own Micra then not be able to get back to lane 1 because of aforementioned lines of traffic and Micra drivers.
I like Lane 1. There's less traffic there. And those that are there tend to have better manners!!
Big Rod said:
I use lane one more than the others. I also pass more cars than the traffic in the other 2+ lanes.
IMO, it's infinitely safer to stay in lane 1 rather than cross three lanes of traffic, try to filter into a line of brain dead tailgating twonks in lane 3+ to pass some numbskull feckwitt in lane 2 who can't think further than the foorprint of their own Micra then not be able to get back to lane 1 because of aforementioned lines of traffic and Micra drivers.
I like Lane 1. There's less traffic there. And those that are there tend to have better manners!!
but you are in sweatyland ,darn sarf lane one is full of easto lorries and you want to stay as far away from them as possible . IMO, it's infinitely safer to stay in lane 1 rather than cross three lanes of traffic, try to filter into a line of brain dead tailgating twonks in lane 3+ to pass some numbskull feckwitt in lane 2 who can't think further than the foorprint of their own Micra then not be able to get back to lane 1 because of aforementioned lines of traffic and Micra drivers.
I like Lane 1. There's less traffic there. And those that are there tend to have better manners!!
bimsb6 said:
Big Rod said:
I use lane one more than the others. I also pass more cars than the traffic in the other 2+ lanes.
IMO, it's infinitely safer to stay in lane 1 rather than cross three lanes of traffic, try to filter into a line of brain dead tailgating twonks in lane 3+ to pass some numbskull feckwitt in lane 2 who can't think further than the foorprint of their own Micra then not be able to get back to lane 1 because of aforementioned lines of traffic and Micra drivers.
I like Lane 1. There's less traffic there. And those that are there tend to have better manners!!
but you are in sweatyland ,darn sarf lane one is full of easto lorries and you want to stay as far away from them as possible . IMO, it's infinitely safer to stay in lane 1 rather than cross three lanes of traffic, try to filter into a line of brain dead tailgating twonks in lane 3+ to pass some numbskull feckwitt in lane 2 who can't think further than the foorprint of their own Micra then not be able to get back to lane 1 because of aforementioned lines of traffic and Micra drivers.
I like Lane 1. There's less traffic there. And those that are there tend to have better manners!!
Briefly, there is no offence of overtaking on the nearside. Or, to put it another way, there is no statutory bar to doing so. Indeed, the highway code expressly mentions non-exclusive times when it is permissable.
Unless the manouver is completed in a safe, careful and considerate manner, then the fact that you did overtake on the nearside can be used against you.
If you can be sure that the person you are passing is aware of your presence and the fact that you are passing him/her then I would suggest you are in the clear.
The easiest method is to wait until there is a queue behind the car and then overtake as this is one of the instances mentioned in the HC. Mind you, it is probably more dangerous than when there are just the two vehicles.
Unless the manouver is completed in a safe, careful and considerate manner, then the fact that you did overtake on the nearside can be used against you.
If you can be sure that the person you are passing is aware of your presence and the fact that you are passing him/her then I would suggest you are in the clear.
The easiest method is to wait until there is a queue behind the car and then overtake as this is one of the instances mentioned in the HC. Mind you, it is probably more dangerous than when there are just the two vehicles.
kwakka said:
TTwiggy said:
. . . personally I avoid lane 1 like the plague...
... and consequently plague lanes 2, 3 or, even better, 4, and tough **** to anyone who doesn't like it?did you read all of my post or were you in a hurry? I drive a small, lightweight car, with different track width from front to rear, and thinner tyres on the front than on the rear. As a result, the ruts that DO EXIST in most lane 1s cause my car to tramline and move left to right in a manner that at best causes a very tiring drive, and at worst may be dangerous. I am also low to the ground, and often not seen by other motorists - this is dangerous when others are entering or exiting the carriageway. Hence I AVOID LANE 1. I DO NOT SIT IN THE MIDDLE LANE AT 50PMH. If someone wants to travel along at a 3 figure speed, they can either pass me in lane 3, or I'll get out of their way (I have this amazing thing called a rear view mirror, and I tend to use it).
Does that clear things up for you?...
bimsb6 said:
but you are in sweatyland ,darn sarf lane one is full of easto lorries and you want to stay as far away from them as possible .
I travel up and down the country like a yo-yo. I use the M74, M6, M1, M40, M25, M3 and M27 regularly. I don't have a problem with using Lane 1 at all, in fact on certain roads like the M27, there's sometimes hardly any traffic in lane 1.The only trouble I might have is when I want to overtake something in lane 1 and the retard in lane 2 that I've just passed accelerates to prevent me from changing lanes thus causing me to have to brake and disrupt the flow of traffic. If the tw@t could actually think a little further than the end of his ego, he'd realise that I'd be out of his road as soon as I'd passed the vehicle in lane 1. These @rseholes need stood against a wall and shot!!
Edited by Big Rod on Tuesday 8th January 10:58
TTwiggy said:
kwakka said:
TTwiggy said:
. . . personally I avoid lane 1 like the plague...
... and consequently plague lanes 2, 3 or, even better, 4, and tough **** to anyone who doesn't like it?did you read all of my post or were you in a hurry? I drive a small, lightweight car, with different track width from front to rear, and thinner tyres on the front than on the rear. As a result, the ruts that DO EXIST in most lane 1s cause my car to tramline and move left to right in a manner that at best causes a very tiring drive, and at worst may be dangerous. I am also low to the ground, and often not seen by other motorists - this is dangerous when others are entering or exiting the carriageway. Hence I AVOID LANE 1. I DO NOT SIT IN THE MIDDLE LANE AT 50PMH. If someone wants to travel along at a 3 figure speed, they can either pass me in lane 3, or I'll get out of their way (I have this amazing thing called a rear view mirror, and I tend to use it).
Does that clear things up for you?...
TTwiggy said:
not mention the dangerously deep ruts caused by lorries, the fact that you can't make progress above 55mph and that you're an invisible target for everyone entering and exiting the motorway - personally I avoid lane 1 like the plague...
I had 275s on the back and 245s on the front of my car. Sure it tramlined occassionally, but I never had that much trouble with it, I would just position my car so that the wheels were out of the ruts and it didn't affect it so badly.If you have so much trouble using your car on the motorway, had it occured to you that it might not be fit for the purpose? (Y'know what they say about bad workmen don't you!)
Edited by Big Rod on Tuesday 8th January 10:54
Big Rod said:
TTwiggy said:
not mention the dangerously deep ruts caused by lorries, the fact that you can't make progress above 55mph and that you're an invisible target for everyone entering and exiting the motorway - personally I avoid lane 1 like the plague...
I had 275s on the back and 245s on the front of my car. Sure it tramlined occassionally, but I never had that much trouble with it, I would just position my car so that the wheels were out of the ruts and it didn't affect it so badly.If you have so much trouble using your car on the motorway, had it occured to you that it might not be fit for the purpose? (Y'know what they say about bad workmen don't you!)
Edited by Big Rod on Tuesday 8th January 10:54
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