Replacement Engine
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bobmalcs

Original Poster:

37 posts

267 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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A relative of mine is having the engine replaced because the old one stopped working. We are somewhat suspicious of the manner the replacement is being done.

The replacement engines are apparently from rear-end crashes which caused the car to be a write-off. However they have stated that they grind off the engine number before installing it. But I have been told that the DVLA require the engine number for the replacement engine.

Can somebody clarify the situation.

Bob

Big Rod

6,265 posts

247 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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There's no good reason to have the number ground off the engine, unless of course they don't want the engines traced back to a stolen motor.

Ideally, the V5 for your car should be updated witht he new engine number, but I don't think it happens very often.

Ean218

2,046 posts

281 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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All you do is inform DVLA of the new number, there's no non-criminal reason to grind the number off!

carrotchomper

18,331 posts

235 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Very, very dodgy. Walk away and a discreet anonymous phonecall to CrimeStoppers wouldn't go amiss!

Chrispy Porker

17,753 posts

259 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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carrotchomper said:
Very, very dodgy. Walk away and a discreet anonymous phonecall to CrimeStoppers wouldn't go amiss!
What he said!!

Mr Robbo

1,209 posts

276 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Unless ofcoure your having the engine in your 1.6 Ford Focus replaced by a cut & shut M3 unit.

SLCZ3

1,295 posts

236 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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bobmalcs said:
A relative of mine is having the engine replaced because the old one stopped working. We are somewhat suspicious of the manner the replacement is being done.

The replacement engines are apparently from rear-end crashes which caused the car to be a write-off. However they have stated that they grind off the engine number before installing it. But I have been told that the DVLA require the engine number for the replacement engine.

Can somebody clarify the situation.

Bob
Go to your local police station and explain to the desk sergeant and ask for clarification as to the legal requirements for re-registering the vehicle, then step back as you may get crushed by the large amounts of blue boys piling out to talk to the nice chap doing the job for you.
P.S tell us more about how the situation arose in the first place. laugh

TPS

1,860 posts

244 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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People grind of the engine numbers all the time.









They do it to hide the fact the engine came from a stolen car.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

291 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Or because the block has been skimmed or was a warranty failure which may have or may not have been repaired.

D_T_W

2,502 posts

246 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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This is something i've always wondered about, as i was offered a Golf R32 engine and drivetrain frm a stolen car for not a lot of cash (it was for a daft idea of trying to fit it in a VW Polo), but the idea it was from a stolen car put me off

Say you were to buy an stolen engine (knowingly or not) off somewhere like Ebay, stick it in your car, send off the V5 with all relevant details (like engine number) to the DVLA, what would happen? Would you have the police kicking down your front door?

SLCZ3

1,295 posts

236 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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D_T_W said:
This is something i've always wondered about, as i was offered a Golf R32 engine and drivetrain frm a stolen car for not a lot of cash (it was for a daft idea of trying to fit it in a VW Polo), but the idea it was from a stolen car put me off

Say you were to buy an stolen engine (knowingly or not) off somewhere like Ebay, stick it in your car, send off the V5 with all relevant details (like engine number) to the DVLA, what would happen? Would you have the police kicking down your front door?
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TTwiggy

11,884 posts

235 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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D_T_W said:
i was offered a Golf R32 engine and drivetrain frm a stolen car for not a lot of cash
can you tell me what pubs you drink in? It's just that I could do with a cheap 40inch LCD TV...

bobmalcs

Original Poster:

37 posts

267 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Thanks for all the replies.

The nice people at the DVLA say 'No problem. Just record a change of engine with no serial number'.

Not sure whether I'm more or less confused now.

Bob.

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

265 months

Friday 11th January 2008
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Don't do it.

At the very least, any buyers in future will be put off.

There is no reason whatsoever to grind the engine number off. None.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

291 months

Friday 11th January 2008
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^ See my post above. In some situations it can be for perfectly honest reasons. The OP could get a receipt describing the terms of sale, he should certainly make reasonable efforts to establish if the product isn't stolen. No number doesn't mean stolen but it does mean ask some questions and seek assurances.

SLCZ3

1,295 posts

236 months

Friday 11th January 2008
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bobmalcs said:
Thanks for all the replies.

The nice people at the DVLA say 'No problem. Just record a change of engine with no serial number'.

Not sure whether I'm more or less confused now.

Bob.
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UpTheIron

4,058 posts

299 months

Friday 11th January 2008
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There is a big difference between the DVLA being happy and you being happy with the situation.

Are you satisfied with the reason for your replacement engine has no s/n, given the most common reasons for this? Can you also demonstrate this to a future purchaser and / or accept the hit it could/will have on the value of the vehicle?

sublimatica

3,211 posts

285 months

Friday 11th January 2008
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UpTheIron said:
Are you satisfied with the reason for your replacement engine has no s/n, given the most common reasons for this? Can you also demonstrate this to a future purchaser and / or accept the hit it could/will have on the value of the vehicle?
Will a future purchaser even know? Do many purchasers check a vehicle over to this level of detail? (I'd guess they don't.) How does one examine the serial number on the engine when considering a purchase? (Are numbers clearly visible?) Would an RAC-type check reveal the lack of engine number, thus highlighting to a prospective purchaser the questionable legitimacy of the block?

[Not trolling/challenging - I'm just curious.]

HarryW

16,078 posts

300 months

Friday 11th January 2008
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As said by a number of posters already I'd be inclined to report it to the police/crimestoppers, if its legit then its no problem is it.
You never know this could be the gap in the door that may lead plod to a whole host of crims if it daisy chains back to engine source, particularly the ones that steal your pride and joy in the first instance. Look at it this way, you could be doing us all a favour yes.

bobmalcs

Original Poster:

37 posts

267 months

Friday 11th January 2008
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It has now been reported to the police and they said they will keep us informed. The police also suggested that Trading Standards be informed and that has been done; they are also going to investigate and report back.

As it is almost the weekend I don't expect anything until next week at least. I have no idea how fast these sort of things are investigated.

I don't want too put to many details on an open forum as I hsve no idea who might be reading this and especially because investigations (I hope) are now under way.

Bob