Section 172 - Excess Speed....
Section 172 - Excess Speed....
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Walla80

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31 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Flashed going 38MPH in a 30MPH road.

Now this is the first time I've ever been flashed and annoyingly, got the dreaded notice through the post.

Is there any way of not getting the 3 points? I've heard plenty of +ve and -ve stories about disputes....

EU_Foreigner

2,838 posts

257 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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If it is a first offence, ask for a driver course instead of points. You have to fill in the section 172 to incriminate yourself first though, but add a letter requesting the course (only applicable if first offence).

Worked for a friend of mine ...

john_r

8,354 posts

302 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Unlikely to get the course offered for 38... In Thames Valley it's only those on 10%+2 and 10%+3 that get offered. Anything 10%+4 or more, or with points already, automatically gets points.

But worth asking anyway!

Walla80

Original Poster:

31 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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How much would this effect my insurance?

EU_Foreigner

2,838 posts

257 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Difficult to answer that, depends on your car and insurance company. When my wife was done for 36 in a 30 zone, it added £150 premium to my M, £75 to her car, and £50 on the third car.

Left her off the M for 3 years, and added her back after 3 years after which she brought my premium down by £100.

So in affect, in my case it would have been £275 in direct premium increases, and about £400 in actual loss per year for 3 years = £1200 in total.

Some companies don't load their premiums though ...

DucatiGary

7,765 posts

256 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Walla80 said:
How much would this effect my insurance?
it wont, its not seens as a crime or an offence in their eyes.

its only the police who see it as an offence, eveyone else takes no notice as your not harming anyone and not driving in what is deemed as dangerous, stupid or unlawfull in the eyes of everybody else on the planet, apart from plod scp and the scamera partnerships.

ETA it mad not difference on my 911 and when i called the insurance for the ducati they gave me the impression it wasnt worth wasting the money on the phone call telling them, not interested one iota, even made me feel like i was wasting their time and should at least try harder next time.

Edited by DucatiGary on Thursday 17th January 13:40

TheGriffalo

72,863 posts

270 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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What was the date of the alleged offence and when did you receive the NIP?

Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle and how long have you owned it?

moosepig

1,306 posts

272 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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http://www.pepipoo.com/ is your friend yes

Double Play

70 posts

281 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Some might offer the unsigned NIP route. Whatever that might be.

EU_Foreigner

2,838 posts

257 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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That only works in Scotland

supermono

7,464 posts

279 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Walla80 said:
How much would this effect my insurance?
Well insurance companies know that everyone speeds and it's a lottery if you get caught or not. There's no evidence whatsoever that people with 3 points crash more than people with none, and they take all this into account.

Therefore..... they'll screw you over to profit from your misfortune just like all the other pigs at the frikkin trough.

Despicable isn't it?

SM

Edited by supermono on Thursday 17th January 16:51

Walla80

Original Poster:

31 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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TheGriffalo said:
What was the date of the alleged offence and when did you receive the NIP?

Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle and how long have you owned it?
Date of offence:16th Dec
Date on NIP: 21st Dec
Date recieved: 6th Jan08

I am the registered owner and have owned it for 4 months.

Is this where you tell me that i can get away with it?!?

EU_Foreigner

2,838 posts

257 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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The NIP must be received within 14 days of the offence (excluding the date of the offence itself). Is there a reason why it could be late (ignoring Christmas)? What is the stamp on the envelope (and please say that you kept the envelope itself).

If it is outside the 14 days, yes, then you are lucky. However, they will not fold so easily and bluff a lot, but basically you are in the clear then.

On the pepipoo website there is a standard RAC letter you can send which basically tells them they are too late. You must however always fill in the S172 part.

TheGriffalo

72,863 posts

270 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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Walla80 said:
TheGriffalo said:
What was the date of the alleged offence and when did you receive the NIP?

Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle and how long have you owned it?
Date of offence:16th Dec
Date on NIP: 21st Dec
Date recieved: 6th Jan08

I am the registered owner and have owned it for 4 months.

Is this where you tell me that i can get away with it?!?
Possibly. Discounting Christmas it should have been with you on the 30th.

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

275 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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As a matter of interest was it Registered Post or First Class?

If you do a search on NOIP on this forum you will find it has been discussed deeply with some good points that will assist you.

dvd

Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Friday 18th January 08:08