Do you have faith in the Police?

[paoloh]

Question raised on another thread. It would be interesting to see what people think.

Yes or No

[Chrispy Porker]

Yes.
Apart from the personel dept.

[paoloh]

Chrispy Porker said:

Yes.
Apart from the personel dept.

LOL. And Home Secretary I bellieve

[Chrispy Porker]

paoloh said:

Chrispy Porker said:

Yes.
Apart from the personel dept.

LOL. And Home Secretary I bellieve

Mercifully she is not part of the police.

[Einion Yrth]

I don't have faith in anyone or anything; I do believe that the majority of the police are generally well meaning and making the best out of an increasingly politicised bad job. Some of them are utter tts, mind.

[Spokey]

No.

[dougc]

I have faith that the individual who joins, trains and works hard will do his/her job to the best of their ability.

I don't have faith in the system that controls them.

[FiveStar]

No.

[fatboy b]

Absolutely not.

[LathamJohnP]

Yes. I believe that the Police exist, and I do not require evidence to support that belief.

John

[Eliminator]

The lower the rank the more I believe. I suspect that disbelief emerges at Super level and becomes absolute at Chief Super level.

[Ranger 6]

dougc said:

I have faith that the individual who joins, trains and works hard will do his/her job to the best of their ability.

I don't have faith in the system that controls them.

+1

I've met some very good policemen, I've also met some right tts. But that applies to pretty much every walk of life - I'd say I met a much higher proportion of said tts in a Canary Wharf Financial institution......

[RtdRacer]

Ranger 6 said:

I've met some very good policemen, I've also met some right tts. But that applies to pretty much every walk of life - I'd say I met a much higher proportion of said tts in a Canary Wharf Financial institution......

I think this is about right. Most coppers I know are pretty decent people. Very occasionally I've seen them be 4rseholes when dealing with the public, but given how much grief they get from scrotes in an average day, I'm not sure I actually could be any more tolerant myself.

Most times I've been stopped for whatever they've been polite and applied common sense. Then again I'm a nice middle class 30 something, so I'm sure I get treated differently from a hoodie toting 16 year old black lad in Brixton. But that's inevitable.

I don't think there are (many at all) bad police - just a bad target-driven performance culture within the police service, driven by popularist govt. policies that seek to assuage the concerns of the redtop leader writers.

[paoloh]

Just to clarify the thread, we are not talking about individuals, it is the Police force as a whole.

[Jasandjules]

paoloh said:

Just to clarify the thread, we are not talking about individuals, it is the Police force as a whole.

Faith in them to do what? Not turn up when you call? Man Speed guns? Serve and Protect? Attend Political Indoctrination classes? Dress as Druids?

[splitter / judas]

Einion Yrth said:

I don't have faith in anyone or anything; I do believe that the majority of the police are generally well meaning and making the best out of an increasingly politicised bad job. Some of them are utter tts, mind.

Well said

[freddytin]

Not at all.

Mostly smashing folk, but too afraid to tell their bosses where the system is failing, and too concerned about their wages / overtime / holidays /pension.

[chris watton]

Watching that God-awful bailiffs the other night, where I seen well over a dozen Policemen huddled together on the pavement, watching the cars, whilst on the news earlier, yet another teenager is stabbed, but no police around, make me realise that having ‘faith’ in these political/cash generating puppets (not so much the 'bobbies', but the superiors) would be misplaced..

[EU_Foreigner]

as a whole, no for various reasons (targets / wrong priorities)

[Ranger 6]

paoloh said:

Just to clarify the thread, we are not talking about individuals, it is the Police force as a whole.

That's the main issue here - as I've already said I think dougc summarised it the best way;

Ranger 6 said:

dougc said:

I have faith that the individual who joins, trains and works hard will do his/her job to the best of their ability.

I don't have faith in the system that controls them.

+1

To have faith in the Police you must have faith in the elected ones who set policy and targets - It's those who I didn't elect, but others chose to, who are tarnishing the Police with their inconsistent and apparently misguided approach to setting targets. The whole 'speed kils' tripe is a good example, as is the apparent link between SCPs and the local force, joe punter is usually at a complete loss when you explain that 'no, the camears are not controlled by the Police'.

If those that truly understood crime and policing were allowed to set policy and targets without any political interference I'm sure respect for the force as a whole would rise substantially as fast as would the 'figures', that all these two-faced politicians delight in quoting, fall.

I'm sure NTB will have read a book on it, or maybe the police520 is better, you could ask him.....?