Car description on V5...a question for BiB
Discussion
Please help the kit car forum out by looking at the " Make of some kitcars" thread on the kitcar forum.
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&t=486240
It stems from a SYLVA Phoenix kit car offered for sale with the reg from the "donor vehicle" together with its V5 which still read as FORD ESCORT.
According to one contributor this is OK. He furthermore thinks that you could apply virtually ANY old V5 to your kit car to avoid SVA, so long as you insure as the kit car make, ie. Westfield.
It doesn't matter what the make is on the V5 and you will be able to get an MOT.
Amongst others, I think that this is illegal on many counts and your insurance would be void.
Please tell me that he is right and I am wrong as I am building a car at the moment.
If you were following a Westfield and ran a check which came back as FORD ESCORT would you pull the car over? If the chassis number was correct, ie. the VIN of the old Escort, he thinks there would be little you could do except let him go.
If I have mis-read the OP then I apologise but please take a look and offer some professional advise.
Thankyou, Geoff.
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&t=486240
It stems from a SYLVA Phoenix kit car offered for sale with the reg from the "donor vehicle" together with its V5 which still read as FORD ESCORT.
According to one contributor this is OK. He furthermore thinks that you could apply virtually ANY old V5 to your kit car to avoid SVA, so long as you insure as the kit car make, ie. Westfield.
It doesn't matter what the make is on the V5 and you will be able to get an MOT.
Amongst others, I think that this is illegal on many counts and your insurance would be void.
Please tell me that he is right and I am wrong as I am building a car at the moment.
If you were following a Westfield and ran a check which came back as FORD ESCORT would you pull the car over? If the chassis number was correct, ie. the VIN of the old Escort, he thinks there would be little you could do except let him go.
If I have mis-read the OP then I apologise but please take a look and offer some professional advise.
Thankyou, Geoff.
So there he is driving 60,000 rivets in close formation kit car of XXXXX make and he has all the docs for it under a different make.Under the bridge and past the camera - they're are all over the place.
PC Alf HARTE on ANPR duties may not hear 'Yabbadabbadoo' as it is clocked on camera but from the screen even he knows that isn't a Ford Escort so alerts his stoppers up the road.
A pull - most definate. Engine and chassis numbers checked and not stolen. But what about other parts?????? False details may make the case for reasonable suspicion and vehicle seized for further examination/enquiry.
Checked out and nothing found. Still not in the clear. Lets go the DVLA records and lawful requirements shall we:
The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002
16. - (1) Where any alteration is made to a vehicle so as to make any of the particulars set out in the registration document incorrect, the registered keeper shall deliver to the Secretary of State -
(a) notification of the alteration;
(b) except where the registration document is lost, stolen or destroyed, the registration document.
(2) If the alteration makes any of the particulars shown on the vehicle licence or nil licence incorrect, the registered keeper shall also deliver to the Secretary of State the appropriate licence, unless it is lost, stolen or destroyed.
(3) The Secretary of State may require the registered keeper to furnish such evidence as he may reasonably require to show that the alteration has taken place.
(4) On receiving notification under this regulation the Secretary of State shall, subject to regulation 15, if he is satisfied that the vehicle has been altered in the way notified to him,
(a) record the alteration in the register;
Ok its only summary offences but Plod will have you.
Yes, yes I know there are 'ringers' running about undetected - always will be until one day - the heavens will fall sure as God made little apples.
dvd
PC Alf HARTE on ANPR duties may not hear 'Yabbadabbadoo' as it is clocked on camera but from the screen even he knows that isn't a Ford Escort so alerts his stoppers up the road.
A pull - most definate. Engine and chassis numbers checked and not stolen. But what about other parts?????? False details may make the case for reasonable suspicion and vehicle seized for further examination/enquiry.
Checked out and nothing found. Still not in the clear. Lets go the DVLA records and lawful requirements shall we:
The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002
16. - (1) Where any alteration is made to a vehicle so as to make any of the particulars set out in the registration document incorrect, the registered keeper shall deliver to the Secretary of State -
(a) notification of the alteration;
(b) except where the registration document is lost, stolen or destroyed, the registration document.
(2) If the alteration makes any of the particulars shown on the vehicle licence or nil licence incorrect, the registered keeper shall also deliver to the Secretary of State the appropriate licence, unless it is lost, stolen or destroyed.
(3) The Secretary of State may require the registered keeper to furnish such evidence as he may reasonably require to show that the alteration has taken place.
(4) On receiving notification under this regulation the Secretary of State shall, subject to regulation 15, if he is satisfied that the vehicle has been altered in the way notified to him,
(a) record the alteration in the register;
Ok its only summary offences but Plod will have you.
Yes, yes I know there are 'ringers' running about undetected - always will be until one day - the heavens will fall sure as God made little apples.
dvd
Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Sunday 27th January 08:53
there was a period a few years back where the dvla had an amnesty for those with kit cars incorrectly registered, they could go with said car to a dvla office and have them re-registered correctly, however that time has passed.
but one thing that i did find out after speaking with swansea dvla for about an hour a while ago, is this, i was going to get a countach kit car, already built but was registered as a pontiac due to the donor vehicle, it had a new style registration document etc, however i wasnt happy with that. The dvla manager that i spoke with was very helpful and suggested that when it went for an mot that the mot tester wrote changed the cars description on the test database then i took that to the dvla and they would re-register it that way, but i would have to pay a fee for this also.
ring them and check to see if this is still possible , otherwise you will have to have the car run through an extended sva test
but one thing that i did find out after speaking with swansea dvla for about an hour a while ago, is this, i was going to get a countach kit car, already built but was registered as a pontiac due to the donor vehicle, it had a new style registration document etc, however i wasnt happy with that. The dvla manager that i spoke with was very helpful and suggested that when it went for an mot that the mot tester wrote changed the cars description on the test database then i took that to the dvla and they would re-register it that way, but i would have to pay a fee for this also.
ring them and check to see if this is still possible , otherwise you will have to have the car run through an extended sva test
big-si said:
there was a period a few years back where the dvla had an amnesty for those with kit cars incorrectly registered, they could go with said car to a dvla office and have them re-registered correctly, however that time has passed.
but one thing that i did find out after speaking with swansea dvla for about an hour a while ago, is this, i was going to get a countach kit car, already built but was registered as a pontiac due to the donor vehicle, it had a new style registration document etc, however i wasnt happy with that. The dvla manager that i spoke with was very helpful and suggested that when it went for an mot that the mot tester wrote changed the cars description on the test database then i took that to the dvla and they would re-register it that way, but i would have to pay a fee for this also.
ring them and check to see if this is still possible , otherwise you will have to have the car run through an extended sva test
Hi there Si,but one thing that i did find out after speaking with swansea dvla for about an hour a while ago, is this, i was going to get a countach kit car, already built but was registered as a pontiac due to the donor vehicle, it had a new style registration document etc, however i wasnt happy with that. The dvla manager that i spoke with was very helpful and suggested that when it went for an mot that the mot tester wrote changed the cars description on the test database then i took that to the dvla and they would re-register it that way, but i would have to pay a fee for this also.
ring them and check to see if this is still possible , otherwise you will have to have the car run through an extended sva test
This type of kit car is often referred to as a PANEL KIT since it retains all the running gear, floorpan,bulkheads etc. of the Fiero. Only the outer panels are changed. Since the ID of the vehicle refers to it's chassis then the DVLA have no problem with them.
There are loads of "looky likey" F355's about based on old MR2's and F360's based on new MR2's that fall into the same category. The majority still say TOYOTA on the tax disc.( Unless the owner covers the word "TOYOTA" up with a little prancing horse sticker!
I have even seen one of these that the owner has had the make on the V5 ( and hence on the tax disc) changed by the DVLA to read "FERRARI KIT CAR." Honest!
Geoff.
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