2 speed awareness courses in 3 years ???
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Wonder if this has happened to anyone else. Recently got caught speeding doing 34 in a 30 limit but was surprised when i sent off my details confirming i was the driver that they sent me a letter offering me a speed awareness course i had done one a couple of years ago.
the letter did say that a condition of the course was that i hadnt been on a course within the last three years, do you think they actually check this or might i get turned away from the course when i turn up as its at the same place as i went on my last one?
Of course my weak defence would be that i thought my last one was over three years ago. Just wondered if anyone has had the same predicament, i thought they wouldnt offer me the option as the police will be able to see my last offence surely?
the letter did say that a condition of the course was that i hadnt been on a course within the last three years, do you think they actually check this or might i get turned away from the course when i turn up as its at the same place as i went on my last one?
Of course my weak defence would be that i thought my last one was over three years ago. Just wondered if anyone has had the same predicament, i thought they wouldnt offer me the option as the police will be able to see my last offence surely?
If they have offered you a course for the latest transgression then someone hasn't been doing their job.
From the ACPo Bible on this matter:
Speed awareness offered only if no previous course completed
within the last 3-years, with a national database administered by
DVLA for this use, similar to the current National Driver
Improvement Scheme.
DVLA will hold records of those offered speed awareness courses and
records must be checked before the offer of a course to make sure a
similar course has not been completed in the last 3 years.
Service providers/police must send information on course allocation to the
Police Liaison Unit at DVLA for the national database and check for
previous allocation before granting a course. This information must be
electronic and provided in an agreed format. (electronic might be by
disc/file in the first instance and data transfer in the future)
If a driver has completed a speed awareness course anywhere in the
country within the last three years he or she will not be offered a further
course but will be prosecuted either by conditional offer or summons to
court at the discretion of the force (Note those words) concerned.
Whether you can use this to your advantage I suspect not (or maybe - i.e. turning up at an expense to yourself generated by their error and then being knocked back to a Conditional Offer)
dvd
From the ACPo Bible on this matter:
Speed awareness offered only if no previous course completed
within the last 3-years, with a national database administered by
DVLA for this use, similar to the current National Driver
Improvement Scheme.
DVLA will hold records of those offered speed awareness courses and
records must be checked before the offer of a course to make sure a
similar course has not been completed in the last 3 years.
Service providers/police must send information on course allocation to the
Police Liaison Unit at DVLA for the national database and check for
previous allocation before granting a course. This information must be
electronic and provided in an agreed format. (electronic might be by
disc/file in the first instance and data transfer in the future)
If a driver has completed a speed awareness course anywhere in the
country within the last three years he or she will not be offered a further
course but will be prosecuted either by conditional offer or summons to
court at the discretion of the force (Note those words) concerned.
Whether you can use this to your advantage I suspect not (or maybe - i.e. turning up at an expense to yourself generated by their error and then being knocked back to a Conditional Offer)
dvd
I just thought i would drop an update, i sent off the form accepting the speed awareness test but got a letter back the other day saying that the offer was withdrawn as ive already had one within three years. I thought the control would have been to check if ive already had one before they sent me an offer.
never mind, three points on the licence and a £60 fine it is then!
never mind, three points on the licence and a £60 fine it is then!
34 in a 30 is outside the old guidelines of 10% plus 2mph
I wouldn't even consider that a 'speeding' offence.
Good for you for being in a 30 zone with your eyes on the road and NOT on your speedo.
Go to the speed 'awareness' course.
I would suggest you then drive your instructor blindfold at 30 mph and 34 mph and ask if he could tell which was which.
I wouldn't even consider that a 'speeding' offence.
Good for you for being in a 30 zone with your eyes on the road and NOT on your speedo.
Go to the speed 'awareness' course.
I would suggest you then drive your instructor blindfold at 30 mph and 34 mph and ask if he could tell which was which.
mark69sheer said:
34 in a 30 is outside the old guidelines of 10% plus 2mph
I wouldn't even consider that a 'speeding' offence.
Good for you for being in a 30 zone with your eyes on the road and NOT on your speedo.
Go to the speed 'awareness' course.
I would suggest you then drive your instructor blindfold at 30 mph and 34 mph and ask if he could tell which was which.
While you were looking at your keyboard he's had the offer of the course withdrawn because of the previous course he went on, so he won't be showing them anything other than his licence.I wouldn't even consider that a 'speeding' offence.
Good for you for being in a 30 zone with your eyes on the road and NOT on your speedo.
Go to the speed 'awareness' course.
I would suggest you then drive your instructor blindfold at 30 mph and 34 mph and ask if he could tell which was which.
vonhosen said:
mark69sheer said:
34 in a 30 is outside the old guidelines of 10% plus 2mph
I wouldn't even consider that a 'speeding' offence.
Good for you for being in a 30 zone with your eyes on the road and NOT on your speedo.
Go to the speed 'awareness' course.
I would suggest you then drive your instructor blindfold at 30 mph and 34 mph and ask if he could tell which was which.
While you were looking at your keyboard he's had the offer of the course withdrawn because of the previous course he went on, so he won't be showing them anything other than his licence.I wouldn't even consider that a 'speeding' offence.
Good for you for being in a 30 zone with your eyes on the road and NOT on your speedo.
Go to the speed 'awareness' course.
I would suggest you then drive your instructor blindfold at 30 mph and 34 mph and ask if he could tell which was which.
you know what....that thought did run through my head, thats why i changed my username slightly but couldnt do the same on my profile, they wouldnt do that would they? maybes its a bad idea having to much personal info on your profile, i should be more anonymous
Edited by lc38 on Wednesday 20th February 16:42
mark69sheer said:
vonhosen said:
mark69sheer said:
34 in a 30 is outside the old guidelines of 10% plus 2mph
I wouldn't even consider that a 'speeding' offence.
Good for you for being in a 30 zone with your eyes on the road and NOT on your speedo.
Go to the speed 'awareness' course.
I would suggest you then drive your instructor blindfold at 30 mph and 34 mph and ask if he could tell which was which.
While you were looking at your keyboard he's had the offer of the course withdrawn because of the previous course he went on, so he won't be showing them anything other than his licence.I wouldn't even consider that a 'speeding' offence.
Good for you for being in a 30 zone with your eyes on the road and NOT on your speedo.
Go to the speed 'awareness' course.
I would suggest you then drive your instructor blindfold at 30 mph and 34 mph and ask if he could tell which was which.
You are not related to Mohammed Al Fayed perchance?
Being done for 34 in a 30 seems harsh and the OP has my sympathy... (even more sympathy if it was a FIRST offence and not the second in two years).
IF I was a Trafpol on this Forum, I would find this inference offensive to the extent that I might no longer bother my arse offering advice and experience...which I, and I think many others, value...
BOF
Sorry BOF.
Of course it wouldn't be possible for someone to tell the whole world via an open internet forum that they had got away with something only to find they wish they hadn't told everyone.
I am not really blaming the Bib on here.
Two reasons
1. By getting another course he hasn't actually commited a criminal offence he is just the beneficiary of poor admin so why would any police officer want to risk using the NPC without due reason since the OP hasn't or isn't suspected of criminal activity.
2. As mentioned he has broadcast net wide so no aspersion could be attributed to just the Bib on here.
3. er 3 ok I lied... They may have discovered their own mistake
Chillax as my sons would say.
I made the post with my tongue so far in my cheek I looked as if I was eating a gobstopper..
Of course it wouldn't be possible for someone to tell the whole world via an open internet forum that they had got away with something only to find they wish they hadn't told everyone.
I am not really blaming the Bib on here.
Two reasons
1. By getting another course he hasn't actually commited a criminal offence he is just the beneficiary of poor admin so why would any police officer want to risk using the NPC without due reason since the OP hasn't or isn't suspected of criminal activity.
2. As mentioned he has broadcast net wide so no aspersion could be attributed to just the Bib on here.
3. er 3 ok I lied... They may have discovered their own mistake
Chillax as my sons would say.
I made the post with my tongue so far in my cheek I looked as if I was eating a gobstopper..
Edited by mark69sheer on Wednesday 20th February 20:22
Mark,
No sweat pal..in my hobby as an Observer, I had a lady Pass the IAM test on Monday...I did six drives with her and a Trafpol tested her.
I start with a new Associate at 10.30 tomorrow...in about 6 weeks a Trafpol will test my new one.
Friday at 2.40 I am at the Remembrance service of the daughter of one of my neighbours...died in an 'incident' on the A12 recently.
I am chilled, trust me, just seems such a waste of life... if I over react to criticism of the Police at times I trust you will understand ...
BOF.
No sweat pal..in my hobby as an Observer, I had a lady Pass the IAM test on Monday...I did six drives with her and a Trafpol tested her.
I start with a new Associate at 10.30 tomorrow...in about 6 weeks a Trafpol will test my new one.
Friday at 2.40 I am at the Remembrance service of the daughter of one of my neighbours...died in an 'incident' on the A12 recently.
I am chilled, trust me, just seems such a waste of life... if I over react to criticism of the Police at times I trust you will understand ...
BOF.
BOF said:
mark69sheer said:
vonhosen said:
mark69sheer said:
34 in a 30 is outside the old guidelines of 10% plus 2mph
I wouldn't even consider that a 'speeding' offence.
Good for you for being in a 30 zone with your eyes on the road and NOT on your speedo.
Go to the speed 'awareness' course.
I would suggest you then drive your instructor blindfold at 30 mph and 34 mph and ask if he could tell which was which.
While you were looking at your keyboard he's had the offer of the course withdrawn because of the previous course he went on, so he won't be showing them anything other than his licence.I wouldn't even consider that a 'speeding' offence.
Good for you for being in a 30 zone with your eyes on the road and NOT on your speedo.
Go to the speed 'awareness' course.
I would suggest you then drive your instructor blindfold at 30 mph and 34 mph and ask if he could tell which was which.
You are not related to Mohammed Al Fayed perchance?
Being done for 34 in a 30 seems harsh and the OP has my sympathy... (even more sympathy if it was a FIRST offence and not the second in two years).
IF I was a Trafpol on this Forum, I would find this inference offensive to the extent that I might no longer bother my arse offering advice and experience...which I, and I think many others, value...
BOF
with clues as to where pinged und when und on what road und in what car. :roll: So.. I think some (not BiB at all) in the business of "raising revenue" out there do watch in case .. und there are the spindrift lurker types who will try to make bother for folk anyway if they can.
I drive to COAST principles. I find this actually does work very well indeed in reality.
I put in posts (und not in profile) I live in the Lake District.. nearest town Keswick. But that all. Of course.. my accent ist rather strong so the neighbours und folk we meet on track days und so on .. who post on here know who I am anyway
But .. 34 mph in 30 mph. It smack of zero tolerance to get bottom on seat for this course. It attract the wrong audience und it undermines the course somewhat.
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