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Why Is "Tuscan Rat" aka "Lambo Cop" a moderator on the SP&L forum?????? This is clearly a "conflict of Interest". I would expect moderators of the SP&L forum to be impartial and would definitely not be either from the Police or Government agencies. I would also expect a longer served member of the Forum to Moderate who has a proven track record on the forum. The forum is here to criticise and inform both sides of the argument and I note that a thread has been closed by TR that in my opinion raises valid points against Police use of databases that are PROVEN TO BE FAULTY.
In my opinion, that thread doesn't raises valid points against Police use of databases that are PROVEN TO BE FAULTY.
It blames the police for the database being faulty. It then degenerates into yet another BiB-bashing pile of tripe, of which there are more than enough already.
Debate is one thing, fine. If people just want to lurk about waiting for another cance to stick the boot in, mostly about something they know eff all about, then not fine.
IMHO of course.
It blames the police for the database being faulty. It then degenerates into yet another BiB-bashing pile of tripe, of which there are more than enough already.
Debate is one thing, fine. If people just want to lurk about waiting for another cance to stick the boot in, mostly about something they know eff all about, then not fine.
IMHO of course.
telecat said:
Why Is "Tuscan Rat" aka "Lambo Cop" a moderator on the SP&L forum?????? This is clearly a "conflict of Interest". I would expect moderators of the SP&L forum to be impartial and would definitely not be either from the Police or Government agencies. I would also expect a longer served member of the Forum to Moderate who has a proven track record on the forum. The forum is here to criticise and inform both sides of the argument and I note that a thread has been closed by TR that in my opinion raises valid points against Police use of databases that are PROVEN TO BE FAULTY.
Does it raise them in a constructive way though?tvrgit said:
In my opinion, that thread doesn't raises valid points against Police use of databases that are PROVEN TO BE FAULTY.
It blames the police for the database being faulty. It then degenerates into yet another BiB-bashing pile of tripe, of which there are more than enough already.
Debate is one thing, fine. If people just want to lurk about waiting for another cance to stick the boot in, mostly about something they know eff all about, then not fine.
IMHO of course.
It blames the police for the database being faulty. It then degenerates into yet another BiB-bashing pile of tripe, of which there are more than enough already.
Debate is one thing, fine. If people just want to lurk about waiting for another cance to stick the boot in, mostly about something they know eff all about, then not fine.
IMHO of course.
who would you rather moderated it? someone who doesnt let plod/hato wombles/etc say their side?
i'd rather this place stays with what appears to be a slight bias towards plod etc than go the other way. it means plod etc will stay & explain the other side & so on. if it was just full of moaners then there would be no point in posting as it'd just go whinge whinge whinge. as it stands we whinge, they explain why, we go 'oh that explains that' then whinge again anyway. but at least we learnt something.
i'd rather this place stays with what appears to be a slight bias towards plod etc than go the other way. it means plod etc will stay & explain the other side & so on. if it was just full of moaners then there would be no point in posting as it'd just go whinge whinge whinge. as it stands we whinge, they explain why, we go 'oh that explains that' then whinge again anyway. but at least we learnt something.
This could have been handled in a less confrontational way. The OP was naturally p1ssed of by the inconvenience to his son, and telling him repeatedly that it was a DVLA/database fault wasn't really very helpful.
I'm disappointed that the policepeople on here get a higher level of 'protection' in threads than those who are anti-police. The opinions of those who are anti-police are every bit as valid. There is no law against being anti-police. Yet the moderators seem to be biased, IMHO.
Those policepeople who give measured replies, with some kind of understanding (as opposed to the 'reading the book at the OP' or chip-on-my-shoulder come on if you're hard enough replies) don't get involved when it gets messy.
I think any of the policepeople posting on the other thread could have said: "I'm sorry if you had a bad experience. We only have the DVLA info to go by, and we have to follow the rules, so your son got his car taken away. I understand your anger, and hope the DVLA will compensate you."
But they don't. Re-read the thread. It's all 'holier than thou' cr&p as usual. Which is why many of the PH policepeople are actually worsening the perception of police by car enthiusiasts...
I'm disappointed that the policepeople on here get a higher level of 'protection' in threads than those who are anti-police. The opinions of those who are anti-police are every bit as valid. There is no law against being anti-police. Yet the moderators seem to be biased, IMHO.
Those policepeople who give measured replies, with some kind of understanding (as opposed to the 'reading the book at the OP' or chip-on-my-shoulder come on if you're hard enough replies) don't get involved when it gets messy.
I think any of the policepeople posting on the other thread could have said: "I'm sorry if you had a bad experience. We only have the DVLA info to go by, and we have to follow the rules, so your son got his car taken away. I understand your anger, and hope the DVLA will compensate you."
But they don't. Re-read the thread. It's all 'holier than thou' cr&p as usual. Which is why many of the PH policepeople are actually worsening the perception of police by car enthiusiasts...
You're right, but I do notice a bias. If my profession (completely unimportant by comparison) were being attacked, I can see that I'd want to be defensive. But the OP was p1ssed off, and anyone at all could have said 'sorry' on behalf of the policepeople who, acting on false info from a computer somewhere in swansea, caused his family a great inconvenience.
Instead, they baited him until he got sin-binned or whatever.
This is a pattern. I don't give a monkeys, but it doesn't benefit the policepeople's cause at all. Just makes them look aggresive.
Each time someone slags someone else off, especially quoting this law and that law, it doesn't mean they've done something positive...
Instead, they baited him until he got sin-binned or whatever.
This is a pattern. I don't give a monkeys, but it doesn't benefit the policepeople's cause at all. Just makes them look aggresive.
Each time someone slags someone else off, especially quoting this law and that law, it doesn't mean they've done something positive...
Sorry John57, I don't remember the exact posts, but the overall impression is that this guy was p1ssed off when he posted and many/most didn't try to calm him down. I suspect face-to-face people would have been more conciliatry, but forums are a place people can vent their frustrations and he was pushed into a corner.
As a matter of interest, do you think ordinary people reading that will think 'oh clever policepeople, what a silly OP/father'?
As a matter of interest, do you think ordinary people reading that will think 'oh clever policepeople, what a silly OP/father'?
Ordinary Bloke said:
You're right, but I do notice a bias. If my profession (completely unimportant by comparison) were being attacked, I can see that I'd want to be defensive. But the OP was p1ssed off, and anyone at all could have said 'sorry' on behalf of the policepeople who, acting on false info from a computer somewhere in swansea, caused his family a great inconvenience.
Instead, they baited him until he got sin-binned or whatever.
This is a pattern. I don't give a monkeys, but it doesn't benefit the policepeople's cause at all. Just makes them look aggresive.
Each time someone slags someone else off, especially quoting this law and that law, it doesn't mean they've done something positive...
Why should the Police be held responsible for an error that has nothing to do with them though?.Instead, they baited him until he got sin-binned or whatever.
This is a pattern. I don't give a monkeys, but it doesn't benefit the policepeople's cause at all. Just makes them look aggresive.
Each time someone slags someone else off, especially quoting this law and that law, it doesn't mean they've done something positive...
There's far too much bashing on this site and I for one get very tired of it. Constructive advice/explanations are offered but most of the time are met by people who have a beef because they got potted for a motoring offence. Sure it bites getting knocked off but that's the risk that people take when they get a bit heavy on the loud pedal....its down to actions based on choices made by the person driving, no one else's fault.
People are very quick to judge and fail to remember that when we're risking our ar$es going though red lights and busting a nut to get to a job to help someone we get a thread started up on here slagging us because some 'keyboard warrior' doesn't approve.
Its all well and good having a crack and the BIB if its justified, but people need to understand it has to work both ways. If people on here had a better understanding of the role and listened to the very informative well written posts by my colleagues they would understand.
At the end of the day we're not Nazi's out to persecute motorists, we're the people that will risk our lives to help the public, we're the ones that pick up the pieces, we're the ones that will run into a situation when everyone else is climbing over each other to get out and running in the opposite direction. We do this for YOU!!. People may not appreciate it and I hope that they never find themselves in the situation when they see what the Police really have to do on a daily basis. I don't expect gratitude as its my chosen career, no one forces me to do it but I do expect a bit of good manners and understanding.
It seems to me that most threads on here end up with ridiculous posts having a crack at us based on very little/no knowledge of what the Police actually do.
Everyone has their limit with the amount of narky comments, and I'm very quickly reaching mine.
Rant over.
Greendubber said:
Ordinary Bloke said:
Something, trying to be conciliatory (it's a new word for me so why can't I use it twice in one night?)
...we're not Nazi's out to persecute motorists, we're the people that will risk our lives to help the public... Rant over.
Edited by Ordinary Bloke on Saturday 9th February 23:35
Ordinary Bloke said:
Greendubber said:
Ordinary Bloke said:
Something, trying to be conciliatory (it's a new word for me so why can't I use it twice in one night
...we're not Nazi's out to persecute motorists, we're the people that will risk our lives to help the public... Rant over.
There are people on here with far more patience than me.
Greendubber said:
Ordinary Bloke said:
Greendubber said:
Ordinary Bloke said:
Something, trying to be conciliatory (it's a new word for me so why can't I use it twice in one night
...we're not Nazi's out to persecute motorists, we're the people that will risk our lives to help the public... Rant over.
There are people on here with far more patience than me.
There's a big difference between mediating and reading the rulebook.
But yes, I know what you mean, just that sometimes the end result is that policepeople come out of the thread looking worse than the people attacking them. The DVLA-messed-up thread is a perfect example. Winning, especially where the OP was banned or the thread locked, is not always a victory.
telecat said:
Why Is "Tuscan Rat" aka "Lambo Cop" a moderator on the SP&L forum?????? This is clearly a "conflict of Interest". I would expect moderators of the SP&L forum to be impartial and would definitely not be either from the Police or Government agencies. I would also expect a longer served member of the Forum to Moderate who has a proven track record on the forum. The forum is here to criticise and inform both sides of the argument and I note that a thread has been closed by TR that in my opinion raises valid points against Police use of databases that are PROVEN TO BE FAULTY.
It does raise some valid points - well some very short ones. Basically between the DVLA and the police, someone made a mistake and ruined his day and he was left with costs. The point is that with ANPR this is an inevitable outcome unless we have a 100% reliable theoretical database. Thats pretty much it though.Apart from that the title of the thread is misguided and wrong. From my reading of the thread, the OP was advised, and then later agreed that it was not the PCs fault, but then mentioned a particular PCs name in a public forum for him to be scruitinised or be searched by Google.
I think Lambo Cop/Tuscan Rat has been a valuable contributor of thousands of posts over a few years and is more than qualified to make the decision to close the thread whether he works for the police, Inland Revenue, or is on the dole.
Coming back to the thread in question, I would suggest that the OP directs his anger from an open forum to something constructive. Keeping the police on his side would mean that they would have empathy with him and possibly write him a short statement explaining that the DVLA were at fault and as such he was inconvenienced and also lost out financially.
A stern letter mentioning the right bits of the Data Protection Act, and mentioning the statement and costs involved written to someone high up in the DVLA would most likely get the DVLA to offer to cover the costs involved.
Edited by JustinP1 on Sunday 10th February 01:14
telecat said:
Why Is "Tuscan Rat" aka "Lambo Cop" a moderator on the SP&L forum?????? This is clearly a "conflict of Interest". I would expect moderators of the SP&L forum to be impartial and would definitely not be either from the Police or Government agencies. I would also expect a longer served member of the Forum to Moderate who has a proven track record on the forum. The forum is here to criticise and inform both sides of the argument and I note that a thread has been closed by TR that in my opinion raises valid points against Police use of databases that are PROVEN TO BE FAULTY.
I was 'busted' clearly as a 'anti cop' thread 
Fine
It proves that even on here they dont want to be shown as the unfair people that they are in real life.We will never get past that. Banning people will not show it as anything different - crap police in the street cannot escape criticism...
thirteen-o-two said:
I was 'busted' clearly as a 'anti cop' thread
Fine It proves that even on here they dont want to be shown as the unfair people that they are in real life.
We will never get past that. Banning people will not show it as anything different - crap police in the street cannot escape criticism...
Paul - you just don't get it, do you? I despair, I really do Fine
It proves that even on here they dont want to be shown as the unfair people that they are in real life.We will never get past that. Banning people will not show it as anything different - crap police in the street cannot escape criticism...
Perhaps you should spend a little time on here first, and understand the BiBs input and supprt, before making broad, sweeping, and inaccurate statements.
As with talking to a brick wall, I've no intent on discussing this topic with you as you have one very unchangeable, fixed and wide opinion, and I another.
K
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