Inside the police Farce
Discussion
If only half the stuff in that article is true then I feel very sorry for the BiB.
Surly crime prevention is better than targets. I know you can't measure prevention but you can measure a reduction in crime.
This made me laugh:
" Imagine, said one officer, setting a target for firefighters that they have to use a high- pressure hose on 45 per cent of their call-outs. Then watch how they start getting cats out of trees."
Surly crime prevention is better than targets. I know you can't measure prevention but you can measure a reduction in crime.
This made me laugh:
" Imagine, said one officer, setting a target for firefighters that they have to use a high- pressure hose on 45 per cent of their call-outs. Then watch how they start getting cats out of trees."
Change the Government then.
I love this paper. When it suits then a woman is peeing 'modestly' behind a bush. I wonder what language they'd use if it was a 'binge drinking' article.
Who cares if they arrested for S.5 rather than D&D? They both have the word "disorderly" in them. In fact, legal aid isn't available for D&D so if one were to challenge a S.5 they'd have more chance. If anything, classing one set of illegal behavior as another to satisfy the stupid targets then this takes the pressure off to move the goal posts in important areas, no?
said:
In another incident, two officers were watching CCTV tapes when the camera caught a young woman peeing modestly behind a bush on some waste ground at 3am. One of the officers was all for labelling it a Section 5, tracking her down and charging her.
I love this paper. When it suits then a woman is peeing 'modestly' behind a bush. I wonder what language they'd use if it was a 'binge drinking' article.
Who cares if they arrested for S.5 rather than D&D? They both have the word "disorderly" in them. In fact, legal aid isn't available for D&D so if one were to challenge a S.5 they'd have more chance. If anything, classing one set of illegal behavior as another to satisfy the stupid targets then this takes the pressure off to move the goal posts in important areas, no?
Well, there's a surprise. Me actually agreeing with something that's written in the Daily Mail.
Here's one: my force traditionally ignored visits to prisons to get clear ups for crimes but, due to other forces in our 'family', ie the other similar forces we were judged against, doing just that 'cause they had lots of prisons on their ground, out detective super was obliged to detail two detectives for the job.
One Sunday and incident room set up to deal with a particularly nasty series of sexual offences against a woman was manned but, just that, a man, a newly promoted DS. On Monday, the prison visits went ahead. What a waste!
Someone used the word micromanage and that's why the police, the schools, and the NHS all fail whilst still being able to prove just how brilliant they all are. It something to do with governments, breweries and piss-ups.
What is so strange is that ministers believe that they know best after two minutes in the post. Blunkett (sorry to pick on such an easy target) went from one dept to another making outrageous decisions that were totally off the wall. One wonders why, if they are so brilliant, they don't stick their noses into private schools where their kids are educated, or into private medicine, where they are treated. I bet their private police officers are not given targets.
Even when they do come up with something that is good, like the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, they still manage to mess it up by not funding it.
The only thing the government can run is everything downhill. Targets are a nonsense. Everyone knows that they prove absolutely nothing, even the government. They are just political fluff. I'd vote for any party that promised a sensible and non-invasive way of judging performances of state-run services.
Here's one: my force traditionally ignored visits to prisons to get clear ups for crimes but, due to other forces in our 'family', ie the other similar forces we were judged against, doing just that 'cause they had lots of prisons on their ground, out detective super was obliged to detail two detectives for the job.
One Sunday and incident room set up to deal with a particularly nasty series of sexual offences against a woman was manned but, just that, a man, a newly promoted DS. On Monday, the prison visits went ahead. What a waste!
Someone used the word micromanage and that's why the police, the schools, and the NHS all fail whilst still being able to prove just how brilliant they all are. It something to do with governments, breweries and piss-ups.
What is so strange is that ministers believe that they know best after two minutes in the post. Blunkett (sorry to pick on such an easy target) went from one dept to another making outrageous decisions that were totally off the wall. One wonders why, if they are so brilliant, they don't stick their noses into private schools where their kids are educated, or into private medicine, where they are treated. I bet their private police officers are not given targets.
Even when they do come up with something that is good, like the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, they still manage to mess it up by not funding it.
The only thing the government can run is everything downhill. Targets are a nonsense. Everyone knows that they prove absolutely nothing, even the government. They are just political fluff. I'd vote for any party that promised a sensible and non-invasive way of judging performances of state-run services.
I just love how this newspaper makes its point by repeating itself three times within the same article...
But the article does seem to have the 'pulse' of the job....Governmental targets just have to go...lets get back to honest to goodness policing and serving the public not serving bureaucracy and red tape!
Daily Mail said:
A prospective employer might not look too unkindly on a conviction for being drunk - "Well, we've all done that" - but he could well view "threatening behaviour" in a more serious light.
The effect of all this on the policing we receive is devastating. Crimes that would once have been written off are rigorously pursued, wasting money officer who refused to collude was disciplined.
At the end of the year, "sanction detections" had shot up, the force had dramatically improved its rankings, the Home Office was delighted and the district commissioner got his bonus.
But what they were doing was unethical. An arrest under Section 5 could seriously affect a young person's career.
A prospective employer might not look too unkindly on a conviction for being drunk - "Well, we've all done that" - but he could well view "threatening behaviour" in a more serious light.
The effect of all this on the policing we receive is devastating. Crimes that would once have been written off are rigorously pursued, wasting money officer who refused to collude was disciplined.
At the end of the year, "sanction detections" had shot up, the force had dramatically improved its rankings, the Home Office was delighted and the district commissioner got his bonus.
But what they were doing was unethical. An arrest under Section 5 could seriously affect a young person's career.
A prospective employer might not look too unkindly on a conviction for being drunk - "Well, we've all done that" - but he could well view "threatening behaviour" in a more serious light.
The effect of all this on the policing we receive is devastating. Crimes that would once have been written off are rigorously pursued, wasting money
The effect of all this on the policing we receive is devastating. Crimes that would once have been written off are rigorously pursued, wasting money officer who refused to collude was disciplined.
At the end of the year, "sanction detections" had shot up, the force had dramatically improved its rankings, the Home Office was delighted and the district commissioner got his bonus.
But what they were doing was unethical. An arrest under Section 5 could seriously affect a young person's career.
A prospective employer might not look too unkindly on a conviction for being drunk - "Well, we've all done that" - but he could well view "threatening behaviour" in a more serious light.
The effect of all this on the policing we receive is devastating. Crimes that would once have been written off are rigorously pursued, wasting money officer who refused to collude was disciplined.
At the end of the year, "sanction detections" had shot up, the force had dramatically improved its rankings, the Home Office was delighted and the district commissioner got his bonus.
But what they were doing was unethical. An arrest under Section 5 could seriously affect a young person's career.
A prospective employer might not look too unkindly on a conviction for being drunk - "Well, we've all done that" - but he could well view "threatening behaviour" in a more serious light.
The effect of all this on the policing we receive is devastating. Crimes that would once have been written off are rigorously pursued, wasting money
But the article does seem to have the 'pulse' of the job....Governmental targets just have to go...lets get back to honest to goodness policing and serving the public not serving bureaucracy and red tape!
Thanks Derek Smith--I hoped you may comment on the Wail article.Why is it considered a "Wail" paper, when other papers do Not comment on the cancer eating away on a daily basis, of perverting the course of a once proud system of justice?
Where else do you think any opposition to this utter corrupt slime of nulabour parasites will come from ?-- a few letters in a paper or you think a website with 300K viewers--or 3 million + readers?? + another paper gets on the band wagon, The world doesnt revolve around the Web--and in 24 hours the "HOT" subject is history--but papers cultivate the subject+++.
On the police wage increase and protest march, I asked WHY? there was NO leaked comments on what was going on within the force-ZERO-NOTHING-NOT a word. Wail articles show the way of police life, if you disagree WHY was there a complete silence from within the farce???
Where else do you think any opposition to this utter corrupt slime of nulabour parasites will come from ?-- a few letters in a paper or you think a website with 300K viewers--or 3 million + readers?? + another paper gets on the band wagon, The world doesnt revolve around the Web--and in 24 hours the "HOT" subject is history--but papers cultivate the subject+++.
On the police wage increase and protest march, I asked WHY? there was NO leaked comments on what was going on within the force-ZERO-NOTHING-NOT a word. Wail articles show the way of police life, if you disagree WHY was there a complete silence from within the farce???
And it will get worse. Jackie (that's the way to spell it) Smith is now proposing that some of the police pay is connected to targets so a PC will be obliged to deal with a number of sanctioned offences to get his money. In other words, for the first time in the history of policing, a bobby will be paid to arrest and charge people. For many, there will go discretion.
There is a further suggestion that only the top (for instance) third will receive the money so working hard is no guarantee of getting paid, they'll have to report more than the bloke sitting next to them at muster.
This will be a fundamental change to police independance. Look how traffic wardens changed from the time they worked for the police to keep traffic moving to now, when they are paid by results.
There is a further suggestion that only the top (for instance) third will receive the money so working hard is no guarantee of getting paid, they'll have to report more than the bloke sitting next to them at muster.
This will be a fundamental change to police independance. Look how traffic wardens changed from the time they worked for the police to keep traffic moving to now, when they are paid by results.
Edited by Derek Smith on Monday 11th February 20:49
Derek Smith said:
And it will get worse. Jackie (that's the way to spell it) Smith is now proposing that some of the police pay is connected to targets so a PC will be obliged to deal with a number of sanctioned offences to get his money. In other words, for the first time in the history of policing, a bobby will be paid to arrest and charge people. For many, there will go discretion.
There is a further suggestion that only the top (for instance) third will receive the money so working hard is no guarantee of getting paid, they'll have to report more than the bloke sitting next to them at muster.
This will be a fundamental change to police independance. Look how traffic wardens changed from the time they worked for the police to keep traffic moving to now, when they are paid by results.
We have been saying the same thing on PH for ages. Basically give us Gene Hunt, warts and all, rather than ink monitors.There is a further suggestion that only the top (for instance) third will receive the money so working hard is no guarantee of getting paid, they'll have to report more than the bloke sitting next to them at muster.
This will be a fundamental change to police independance. Look how traffic wardens changed from the time they worked for the police to keep traffic moving to now, when they are paid by results.
Edited by Derek Smith on Monday 11th February 20:49
that sounds good to me 
Chrispy Porker said:
and for those of us who haven't arrested anyone for 10 years or so, how will I earn my bonus?
Number of paperclips salvaged?
Best get out there and arrrest a few people. You could make a start by manning a speed gun on a perfectly staight bit of raod, with no accident history, and where the limit has recently been reduced. Once you hve caught a few speeders, you'll be fine. Big bonus time!Number of paperclips salvaged?
Alternatively you could keep the public happy by patrolling the streets in unifrom, helping old dears cross the road, and generally providing a presence!
Chrisgr31 said:
Chrispy Porker said:
and for those of us who haven't arrested anyone for 10 years or so, how will I earn my bonus?
Number of paperclips salvaged?
Best get out there and arrrest a few people. You could make a start by manning a speed gun on a perfectly staight bit of raod, with no accident history, and where the limit has recently been reduced. Once you hve caught a few speeders, you'll be fine. Big bonus time!Number of paperclips salvaged?
Alternatively you could keep the public happy by patrolling the streets in unifrom, helping old dears cross the road, and generally providing a presence!
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