Speed warning after pursuit death
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7240104....
Yep, a fifteen year old has issued a stark warning of he dangers of speed after a police chase ended in death. Not warning of getting a in car with a fifteen year old, unlicensed, uninsured, unskilled driver then going on the run from the police. Nope only the speed was the issue here!
Can a mod remove my multiple posts! Sorry!
Yep, a fifteen year old has issued a stark warning of he dangers of speed after a police chase ended in death. Not warning of getting a in car with a fifteen year old, unlicensed, uninsured, unskilled driver then going on the run from the police. Nope only the speed was the issue here!
Can a mod remove my multiple posts! Sorry!
Edited by Darth Paul on Thursday 14th February 13:07
I seem to recall that not long ago Sussex Police were involved in a similar incident in Hastings where a car being chased (although the chase may have been called off due to the dangersa few minutes earlier) crashed and teenagers were killed. The parents, friends etc of those killed were highly critical of the Police.
Tough luck, if you want to take the risk of doing the crime you have to be prepared to pay for it, and that payment could be higher than you expect.
I don;t particularly care if these idiots kill themselves, I am more concerned about the innocent parties who get their lives ruined by them and their general behaviour.
Tough luck, if you want to take the risk of doing the crime you have to be prepared to pay for it, and that payment could be higher than you expect.
I don;t particularly care if these idiots kill themselves, I am more concerned about the innocent parties who get their lives ruined by them and their general behaviour.
once again, the speed is the main reason for the crash- sh*te
a fixed speed camera will probably pop up in the area , all the under age drivers, unlicenced joyriders will continue to do as they like while more ordinary people on their way to work will be hit with 3 points and a £60 fine.
happy days.
a fixed speed camera will probably pop up in the area , all the under age drivers, unlicenced joyriders will continue to do as they like while more ordinary people on their way to work will be hit with 3 points and a £60 fine.
happy days.
I was in the force control room of Sussex police when a patrol car spotted an erratically driven Range Rover. He attempted to follow it but it was driven so dangerously that he had abandoned the chase even before I could read the rather short serial.
The target dove off along the 'lower' footpath that runs along the cliffs from Brighton to Saltdean (3 miles) but, knowing that a vehicle as wide as a Range Rover could not get through, he blocked the footpath off at his end, got other units to secure the steps that lead up to Ovingdean and at Rottingdean. The only other route was into the Marina complex and this was about to be secured when there was the sound of a crash. The officers went to investigate and found the vehicle had crashed onto the beach, killing one of the occupants.
Prizes for guessing what the headline read in the local paper.
It seems another lamp post in Wilsons Avenue will be garlanded.
I remember two little (prizes for suggesting an appropriate word) stole an immaculate Austin Cambridge, the PJ of a chap who'd owned it for years. They turned the thing over in Wilson's Avenue, writing it off (the car not, unfortunately, Wilson's Avenue). The offenders got away, mainly because the pursuit as such had been abandoned due to the dangerous nature of the driving. When two of my lads went round to the chap to tell him of his loss, his first concern was for the two kids.
The target dove off along the 'lower' footpath that runs along the cliffs from Brighton to Saltdean (3 miles) but, knowing that a vehicle as wide as a Range Rover could not get through, he blocked the footpath off at his end, got other units to secure the steps that lead up to Ovingdean and at Rottingdean. The only other route was into the Marina complex and this was about to be secured when there was the sound of a crash. The officers went to investigate and found the vehicle had crashed onto the beach, killing one of the occupants.
Prizes for guessing what the headline read in the local paper.
It seems another lamp post in Wilsons Avenue will be garlanded.
I remember two little (prizes for suggesting an appropriate word) stole an immaculate Austin Cambridge, the PJ of a chap who'd owned it for years. They turned the thing over in Wilson's Avenue, writing it off (the car not, unfortunately, Wilson's Avenue). The offenders got away, mainly because the pursuit as such had been abandoned due to the dangerous nature of the driving. When two of my lads went round to the chap to tell him of his loss, his first concern was for the two kids.
Excellent result, shame the lot of 'em didnt go up in a gigantic plume of flames to save the inevitable taxes they will invariably receive during their worthless & unproductive lives.
Even sadder is the tens of thousands of pounds the ensuing investigation by the IPCC & Proffesional Standards of the Force in question will cost.
Even sadder is the tens of thousands of pounds the ensuing investigation by the IPCC & Proffesional Standards of the Force in question will cost.
There is nothing wrong with the article or the BBC. It's just the definition of the "speed" that is the problem.
Is it:
a/ to drive at any speed in excess of the posted speed limit OR
b/ to drive in a reckless and dangerously manner at a speed that a reasonable person would consider to be excessive for the circumstances where the speed contributes significantly to the danger of the situation.
Bert
Is it:
a/ to drive at any speed in excess of the posted speed limit OR
b/ to drive in a reckless and dangerously manner at a speed that a reasonable person would consider to be excessive for the circumstances where the speed contributes significantly to the danger of the situation.
Bert
BertBert said:
There is nothing wrong with the article or the BBC. It's just the definition of the "speed" that is the problem.
Is it:
a/ to drive at any speed in excess of the posted speed limit OR
b/ to drive in a reckless and dangerously manner at a speed that a reasonable person would consider to be excessive for the circumstances where the speed contributes significantly to the danger of the situation.
Bert
Maybe but there is something wrong with the article as its missing accurate proportioning of the cause. Driving without a licence and therefore most probably not furnished with the necessary skills or judgement, and driving dangerously of which speed may have been a factor given the former.Is it:
a/ to drive at any speed in excess of the posted speed limit OR
b/ to drive in a reckless and dangerously manner at a speed that a reasonable person would consider to be excessive for the circumstances where the speed contributes significantly to the danger of the situation.
Bert
streaky, I'll do one for you;
"Police apologise to crash victim
Dorset police chiefs have apologised to a man seriously injured in a crash caused by an officer's poor driving.
Pc Marcus Jones was banned from driving for six months and fined £500 after pleading guilty to driving without due care and attention.
Clive Goodwin, 61, from Moordown, Bournemouth, suffered life-threatening injuries when the officer's car collided with his in July 2003.
The force's deputy chief constable has now formally apologised to Mr Goodwin.
It is a priority to ensure we have the correct balance between the need to respond promptly to some incidents and while doing so ensure the safety of the community who we serve
Deputy Chief Constable Chris Lee
Deputy Chief Constable Chris Lee said: "Dorset police deeply regrets that this collision occurred and I would like to formally apologise to Mr Goodwin and his family for the considerable suffering it caused them.
"We sincerely hope that Mr Goodwin continues to build upon his recovery and regains full fitness as soon as possible."
Mr Lee said Dorset police service was now reviewing its emergency response policies.
Mr Goodwin, a decorator, had to be treated in hospital for four-and-a-half months after the head-on collision on 15 July.
Blandford magistrates' court heard on Wednesday that Pc Jones, who was also ordered to pay £250 costs, was scrambled after a report of a piece of plant machinery being stolen.
Sentence appeal
The court heard that he was driving a marked Volvo police car with its blue lights flashing and siren sounding when he was in collision with Mr Goodwin's Austin Maestro on the B3081 between Cranborne and Sixpenny Handley, Dorset.
The Volvo drove round a bend immediately prior to the collision at 49mph.
Accident investigators said this was the fastest possible speed to take the bend.
Pc Jones had completed a four-week high-speed driving course four days before the accident, the court heard.
A misconduct investigation concerning Pc Jones and his colleague who was in the car at the time is now to be held".
"Police apologise to crash victim
Dorset police chiefs have apologised to a man seriously injured in a crash caused by an officer's poor driving.
Pc Marcus Jones was banned from driving for six months and fined £500 after pleading guilty to driving without due care and attention.
Clive Goodwin, 61, from Moordown, Bournemouth, suffered life-threatening injuries when the officer's car collided with his in July 2003.
The force's deputy chief constable has now formally apologised to Mr Goodwin.
It is a priority to ensure we have the correct balance between the need to respond promptly to some incidents and while doing so ensure the safety of the community who we serve
Deputy Chief Constable Chris Lee
Deputy Chief Constable Chris Lee said: "Dorset police deeply regrets that this collision occurred and I would like to formally apologise to Mr Goodwin and his family for the considerable suffering it caused them.
"We sincerely hope that Mr Goodwin continues to build upon his recovery and regains full fitness as soon as possible."
Mr Lee said Dorset police service was now reviewing its emergency response policies.
Mr Goodwin, a decorator, had to be treated in hospital for four-and-a-half months after the head-on collision on 15 July.
Blandford magistrates' court heard on Wednesday that Pc Jones, who was also ordered to pay £250 costs, was scrambled after a report of a piece of plant machinery being stolen.
Sentence appeal
The court heard that he was driving a marked Volvo police car with its blue lights flashing and siren sounding when he was in collision with Mr Goodwin's Austin Maestro on the B3081 between Cranborne and Sixpenny Handley, Dorset.
The Volvo drove round a bend immediately prior to the collision at 49mph.
Accident investigators said this was the fastest possible speed to take the bend.
Pc Jones had completed a four-week high-speed driving course four days before the accident, the court heard.
A misconduct investigation concerning Pc Jones and his colleague who was in the car at the time is now to be held".
yob as instructed by his brief in BBC interview said:
Bilal Boulaich, 15, said he jumped out of the vehicle because the sight of the police scared him.
Diddums denn! 
So fact they were about to crash because fellow chav yob aged 15 was heading for a brick ..had nothing to do with his "jumping out"
Or perhaps he intended to run off und not get copped at all
B
x. Und I need the Pinocchio smiley 
to sum up this "character." BBC article said:
A 17-year-old was killed when the Mazda hit a wall in Wilson Avenue.
The driver, a boy aged 15, was released from hospital. He was arrested and later bailed.
'Don't do it'
Another boy, 16, is in hospital in a critical condition. Two girls, both 15, had minor injuries and were discharged.
Bilal urged other youngsters not to speed, saying: "It's just silly, don't do it. Now I've just realised, usually I'd like speed, but now it's really hit me."
Pity the dangers of TWOCCING und eggin' on the young fool behind the wheel und not stopping for a police officer - und perhaps on mix of drink/drugs at time have not occurred in this sub-standard's mind. The driver, a boy aged 15, was released from hospital. He was arrested and later bailed.
'Don't do it'
Another boy, 16, is in hospital in a critical condition. Two girls, both 15, had minor injuries and were discharged.
Bilal urged other youngsters not to speed, saying: "It's just silly, don't do it. Now I've just realised, usually I'd like speed, but now it's really hit me."
But then - his brief will have told him to say this in the hope of not getting locked up. But then his brief has also missed the plot. He forgot to tell him to uge folk not to take what not belong to them too. Or perhaps the thick teenager did not learn the whole script.
Tag ... impose long term strict curfew after spell inside too. Und make him und the others of that incident pay back cost of wall..cost of the court.. legal fees.. police investigation into incident which they caused und costs to person whom they inconvenience by stealing the car in first place. ... now that might work better than "promising reward for shedding insincere crocodile tears"
MK4 Slowride said:
Sorry to shout repost but a load of us have emailed a complaint to the BBC for very poor journalism regarding this incident. Especially quoting one of the idiots who was in the car beforehand.
You should get a response within 10 days (was it an official complaint?).Let us know!
streaky said:
I'm surprised mark69sheer hasn't popped up on this thread yet, deaths from police chases are grist to his mill - Streaky
Yes but you as allways misunderstand the thrust of my concerns.If 15 yr old kids wipe themselves out then that is a tradgedy for the kids but at the end of the day they have noone to blame but themselves as in this case.
If however this car of 15 yr olds had crashed into an innocent parties car or pedestrian killing them then you would have to ask wether the pursuit was worth the probable feeble punishment.
Surely that seems reasonable to all?
rewc said:
streaky, I'll do one for you;
"Police apologise to crash victim
...............
That sort of incident unfortunately comes along as collateral damage if we exoect the Policce to attend incidents. Personally I think that those guilty of the plant hire theft should have also been charged aith actual bodily harm or a similar offence for the injuries to the innocent motorist. If they hadn't been stealing plant that accident wouldn't have happened."Police apologise to crash victim
...............
Its a shame a Police Officer has to be investigated after an incident like this. Accidents happen, and we learn by our mistakes! Is there any benefit to chasing the pOlice Officer further?
There is the possibility that with the officer just finishing his four week pursuit course four days earlier he was keen to practice the skills he learnt and sadly had driven beyond his ability trying to emulate his very skilled instructors.
unlucky for both the officer and his victim this one.
unlucky for both the officer and his victim this one.
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