Emergency Vehicle Tyre Tread Depth?
Emergency Vehicle Tyre Tread Depth?
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AndyAudi

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3,697 posts

244 months

Monday 26th January
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There’s been a lot of water on roads with us lately & watching an emergency driver travelling at speed the other day made me wonder - “I bet they don’t run tyres down to near the limit”

So could someone in the know satisfy my curiosity please, I’m imagining there’s a standard walk round & check vehicle at start of shift- at what point are the tyres deemed to need changed?

(& if it’s say 3.5mm, what happens to all the part worns, are they just scrapped?)

Earthdweller

17,280 posts

148 months

Monday 26th January
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No they don't

High performance cars are changed at 4mm, response at 3mm and "runabouts" at 2mm

Tyres are not repaired, if there's a puncture they are replaced

If the car is involved in an incident such has high speed pursuit over speed bumps the tyres will likely be replaced

Safety comes first


Tyres are bought in bulk through tendered contracts and for way less than retail

They are rendered unusable and recycled after use .. they are not sold on as part worns

E-bmw

12,031 posts

174 months

Monday 26th January
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Don't know the actual answer but my guess would be you are probably reasonably accurate in your guess of 3.5.

Many manufacturers say the performance trails off from around 3.5/2.5mm so my guess would be they follow manufacturers recommendations.

Any tyres would be scrapped if done in-house (also a guess) or perhaps available (under the counter) if done at a local tyre place.

AndyAudi

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Monday 26th January
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Earthdweller said:
A pretty decent answer
Thanks

trickywoo

13,488 posts

252 months

Monday 26th January
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Michelin have a statement saying their tyres perform right up to the last kilometre on the minimum 1.6mm.

AndyAudi

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Monday 26th January
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trickywoo said:
Michelin have a statement saying their tyres perform right up to the last kilometre on the minimum 1.6mm.
I’d guess that relates to level of grip when in contact with the surface though, they’d float a bit quicker with less tread, I have Michelin on my motor & definitely notice the difference in the wet depending on tread depth

LosingGrip

8,593 posts

181 months

Monday 26th January
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Earthdweller said:
No they don't

High performance cars are changed at 4mm, response at 3mm and "runabouts" at 2mm

Tyres are not repaired, if there's a puncture they are replaced

If the car is involved in an incident such has high speed pursuit over speed bumps the tyres will likely be replaced

Safety comes first


Tyres are bought in bulk through tendered contracts and for way less than retail

They are rendered unusable and recycled after use .. they are not sold on as part worns
Different in my force. All vehicles are 3mm. RPU, ARV, NPT or response. Only difference is motorcycles which are changed at 2mm (legal limit is 1mm for those that didn't know). However, workshops are good at changing them early if the tyre has squared off.

They don't get repaired though (much to the ARV skippers annoyance when they had a friendly fire stinger deployment on their XC90 with new tyres all round...

p4cks

7,309 posts

221 months

Monday 26th January
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Likely their tyres are managed through the likes of Tructyre and subject to regular checks

Tom1312

1,166 posts

168 months

Monday 26th January
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3.5 here.

Simpo Two

90,858 posts

287 months

Monday 26th January
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Earthdweller said:
They are rendered unusable and recycled after use .. they are not sold on as part worns
Because they CBA or because the tyres are technically unfit for use as part-worns?

Drawweight

3,453 posts

138 months

Monday 26th January
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Simpo Two said:
Earthdweller said:
They are rendered unusable and recycled after use .. they are not sold on as part worns
Because they CBA or because the tyres are technically unfit for use as part-worns?
I would definitely think mostly for liability reasons, as well as the infrastructure and paperwork to sell them.

Doesitdrive

86 posts

3 months

Monday 26th January
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Earthdweller said:
No they don't

High performance cars are changed at 4mm, response at 3mm and "runabouts" at 2mm

Tyres are not repaired, if there's a puncture they are replaced

If the car is involved in an incident such has high speed pursuit over speed bumps the tyres will likely be replaced

Safety comes first


Tyres are bought in bulk through tendered contracts and for way less than retail

They are rendered unusable and recycled after use .. they are not sold on as part worns
While safety does come first, and the details are probably correct, in the case of LFB the last bits are not true.

They don't buy in bulk, they buy when needed fron the contractor they use, at retail, fitted by the contractor on site, and the used ones certainly do get another life, even if it is just for the cases.

How do police and ambulance ensure they are recycled?

I don't see piles of used tyres at depots on my travels, and recyclers don't collect them in small numbers.

Earthdweller

17,280 posts

148 months

Tuesday 27th January
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Doesitdrive said:
While safety does come first, and the details are probably correct, in the case of LFB the last bits are not true.

They don't buy in bulk, they buy when needed fron the contractor they use, at retail, fitted by the contractor on site, and the used ones certainly do get another life, even if it is just for the cases.

How do police and ambulance ensure they are recycled?

I don't see piles of used tyres at depots on my travels, and recyclers don't collect them in small numbers.
I've no idea what the fire bridge do tbf

I've no idea what the ambo do

A large police force could be running around 4k vehicles, many doing very high mileages and several sets of tyres annually

I can recall V6 Vectras and T5 Volvos regularly doing front tyres in 2 or 3 thousand miles .. that was in some cases almost weekly !!

I don't suppose a fire truck does that ?

There are specific contracts where the tyres are bought in huge numbers, whether you class that as bulk is for you, some do the tyres in house and others through external fitters

They don't pay retail prices nor iirc VAT so the tyres are cheap

A Stanley knife ensures the tyres cannot be re used or sold on

Earthdweller

17,280 posts

148 months

Tuesday 27th January
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Drawweight said:
Simpo Two said:
Earthdweller said:
They are rendered unusable and recycled after use .. they are not sold on as part worns
Because they CBA or because the tyres are technically unfit for use as part-worns?
I would definitely think mostly for liability reasons, as well as the infrastructure and paperwork to sell them.
Yep liability, the cars are used for normal SDP purposes and they don't want any comeback

I can recall when cars going for disposal at the auctions had new tyres fitted and were checked/serviced before being sent off .. purely the same reason, but they don't do that anymore


It's the same reason they have been drilling holes in BMW engines on disposal rendering them non runners .. liability

I believe the Police in Ireland don't sell any of their vehicles on when they are replaced .. they all get sent for scrap, for the same reasons I believe

Edited by Earthdweller on Tuesday 27th January 16:59

skyebear

1,074 posts

28 months

Tuesday 27th January
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Earthdweller said:


I believe the Police in Ireland don't sell any of their vehicles on when they are replaced .. they all get sent for scrap, for the same reasons I believe

Edited by Earthdweller on Tuesday 27th January 16:59
Not much of a secondary market for Land Rover Tangis.

Essel

564 posts

168 months

Tuesday 27th January
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skyebear said:
Not much of a secondary market for Land Rover Tangis.
New set of yellow beacons and they'd be fighting over them on the Walt thread. Ideal for crowd control at the village fête wink

skyebear

1,074 posts

28 months

Wednesday
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Essel said:
skyebear said:
Not much of a secondary market for Land Rover Tangis.
New set of yellow beacons and they'd be fighting over them on the Walt thread. Ideal for crowd control at the village fête wink
Imagine a couple of Walts trying to put a road closure on in Short Strand.

edthefed

817 posts

89 months

Wednesday
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Our Traffic / Motorway / ARV cars were on 6000 mile / 3 month service intervals

Tyres / brakes etc would be changed if it was thought they would not last till the next service

T5s were terrific cars but had an insatiable appetite for front tyres - not unknown for new front tyres to be required at 4/5000 miles particularly on divisional traffic in inner city areas, lots of stop / start driving. Speed bumps, pursuits etc