Jail plus driving ban

[silverfoxcc]

watching Traffic Interceptors And a chap got done for going into a vehicle at 70mph
at Court he got iirc 3yrs 2months for the carnage and disqualified for 2yrs 8months.. It could be v v.

Q and it may be dumb.... are these consecutive or concurrent?

[WhiskyDisco]

The prison sentence and driving ban run concurrently.

This is to prevent him from driving home when he is released after serving 1/3 of the sentence.

[PorkInsider]

Maybe expected to serve 20 months inside with 12 months of ban left beyond that?

[spikeyhead]

AIUI, the ban commences from when the prisoner is released from jail.

[agtlaw]

spikeyhead said:

AIUI, the ban commences from when the prisoner is released from jail.

Wrong.

[agtlaw]

WhiskyDisco said:

The prison sentence and driving ban run concurrently.

This is to prevent him from driving home when he is released after serving 1/3 of the sentence.

Correct. Also note that we have open prisons.

[Simpo Two]

agtlaw said:

spikeyhead said:

AIUI, the ban commences from when the prisoner is released from jail.

Wrong.

To be banned from driving whilst in jail makes that part of the ban completely pointless, if it's supposed to be a penalty. It's like banning a non-swimmer from going swimming.

[agtlaw]

Simpo Two said:

To be banned from driving whilst in jail makes that part of the ban completely pointless, if it's supposed to be a penalty. It's like banning a non-swimmer from going swimming.

Which is why there's an extension period. Discussed in various threads.

[coldel]

Why go to the bother of an extension period, just start the ban the minute he is released, with an automatic ban whilst in prison (should it be an open prison)

[silverfoxcc]

Thanks
Another error to correct whenn I get to be in charge..lol

[E-bmw]

coldel said:

Why go to the bother of an extension period, just start the ban the minute he is released, with an automatic ban whilst in prison (should it be an open prison)

But then somebody has to keep checking when that is.

They may be released early.

They may be released for fixed periods prior to actual release.

They may be transferred to an open prison.

Who tells DVLA the specifics?

Much easier to just do consecutive & extend.

[vikingaero]

agtlaw said:

WhiskyDisco said:

The prison sentence and driving ban run concurrently.

This is to prevent him from driving home when he is released after serving 1/3 of the sentence.

Correct. Also note that we have open prisons.

In an open Cat D prison, you can still be serving and have access to vehicles. Some prisoners in Cat D have vans and company cars (some Mercs and BMWs) to get to work each day.

[redrabbit29]

agtlaw said:

spikeyhead said:

AIUI, the ban commences from when the prisoner is released from jail.

Wrong.

Such a meaningless and frankly stupid reply. Rather than arrogantly and obnoxiously putting a single word "Wrong." - how about you actually use some more words to explain further, or helpfully outline what you clearly know that the other person doesn't.

Or are you just going round now saying "incorrect."?

[maccboy]

redrabbit29 said:

agtlaw said:

spikeyhead said:

AIUI, the ban commences from when the prisoner is released from jail.

Wrong.

Such a meaningless and frankly stupid reply. Rather than arrogantly and obnoxiously putting a single word "Wrong." - how about you actually use some more words to explain further, or helpfully outline what you clearly know that the other person doesn't.

Or are you just going round now saying "incorrect."?

What more is there to say? The ban doesn't commence from when the prisoner is released from jail. agtlaw is a very valuable legal member on PH so please don't hack him off.

[QBee]

maccboy said:

redrabbit29 said:

agtlaw said:

spikeyhead said:

AIUI, the ban commences from when the prisoner is released from jail.

Wrong.

Such a meaningless and frankly stupid reply. Rather than arrogantly and obnoxiously putting a single word "Wrong." - how about you actually use some more words to explain further, or helpfully outline what you clearly know that the other person doesn't.

Or are you just going round now saying "incorrect."?

What more is there to say? The ban doesn't commence from when the prisoner is released from jail. agtlaw is a very valuable legal member on PH so please don't hack him off.

Also don't forget that the length of the driving ban goes on his record and is available to any future judge or magistrate (and there is almost bound to be one) who has to make a judgement regarding the severity of his next ban, probably for yet again driving not in accordance with a licence and without insurance.
Old habits die hard regarding bothering to get a driving licence. I for one want to be protected from lazy tossers like him.

[spikeyhead]

redrabbit29 said:

agtlaw said:

spikeyhead said:

AIUI, the ban commences from when the prisoner is released from jail.

Wrong.

Such a meaningless and frankly stupid reply. Rather than arrogantly and obnoxiously putting a single word "Wrong." - how about you actually use some more words to explain further, or helpfully outline what you clearly know that the other person doesn't.

Or are you just going round now saying "incorrect."?

Given that AGTLaw provided the correct info in his next reply, I didn't see the issue with his brief reply.

[vikingaero]

spikeyhead said:

redrabbit29 said:

agtlaw said:

spikeyhead said:

AIUI, the ban commences from when the prisoner is released from jail.

Wrong.

Such a meaningless and frankly stupid reply. Rather than arrogantly and obnoxiously putting a single word "Wrong." - how about you actually use some more words to explain further, or helpfully outline what you clearly know that the other person doesn't.

Or are you just going round now saying "incorrect."?

Given that AGTLaw provided the correct info in his next reply, I didn't see the issue with his brief reply.

Whisky Disco and I did give a further explanation:

You can be released at 33% or 40% of your sentence so the ban needs to apply whilst you are on your remaining licence period. Also there are driving jobs, or jobs with access to vehicles in a Cat D open prison.