Caught by average speed cancers but not average

[Thankyou4calling]

I've had a NIP for exceeding the speed limit.

The camera is designated as an average speed camera and is in on an average speed check road but it hasn't recorded an average, just my speed at that point.

Is that allowed.

I can give more info if the thread requests.

[Smollet]

You nicked. Suck it up and move on

[E-bmw]

Thankyou4calling said:

I've had a NIP for exceeding the speed limit.

The camera is designated as an average speed camera and is in on an average speed check road but it hasn't recorded an average, just my speed at that point.

Is that allowed.

I can give more info if the thread requests.

Yes, don't bother, it won't change anything.

There is no such thing as "camera being designated as an average speed camera", there are frequently spot cameras as well as average cameras.

[Ham_and_Jam]

Thankyou4calling said:

I've had a NIP for exceeding the speed limit.

Sorry to hear that.

Thankyou4calling said:

I can give more info if the thread requests.

Nope.

[I am alright Jack]

Thankyou4calling said:

I've had a NIP for exceeding the speed limit.

The camera is designated as an average speed camera and is in on an average speed check road but it hasn't recorded an average, just my speed at that point.

Is that allowed.

I can give more info if the thread requests.

Does sound a bit odd. I'm out of touch but I don't recall ever hearing of that happening.

Do you have a pic of the camera?

[Sheepshanks]

My wife got done for speeding by a red light camera. She thinks calling it a red light camera is a trap to encourage people to speed though the lights.

[Ian Geary]

I have heard of the red light speed camera (work colleagues partner got caught by one recently).

But I had not heard of an average speed camera being used as a point in time speed camera.

It is useful to know.

[FWIW]

Never mind.

[Voldemort]

Out of interest, you were going X mph in a Y limit: what was X & Y?

[Wacky Racer]

Have you been offered a SAC?

[cliffords]

Sheepshanks said:

My wife got done for speeding by a red light camera. She thinks calling it a red light camera is a trap to encourage people to speed though the lights.

So did my son. He got done for crossing the red light and speeding! On the same red light camera.

[Speed 3]

Exceeding speed at camera A - guilty
Exceeding speed at camera B - guilty
Exceeding average speed between cameras A & B - guilty

Its really not difficult to understand.

[TarquinMX5]

I am alright Jack said:

Thankyou4calling said:

I've had a NIP for exceeding the speed limit.

The camera is designated as an average speed camera and is in on an average speed check road but it hasn't recorded an average, just my speed at that point.

Is that allowed.

I can give more info if the thread requests.

Does sound a bit odd. I'm out of touch but I don't recall ever hearing of that happening.

Do you have a pic of the camera?

It's nothing new, nor are 'red light' cameras that monitor speed on the green phase.

[BlackTails]

I am alright Jack said:

Does sound a bit odd. I'm out of touch but I don't recall ever hearing of that happening.

That's always been my understanding too. Average speed cams don't need to measure speed. They just need to photograph a car with a time and date stamp. The next average speed cam does the same, and because the distance between them is known, the average speed between the two points can be calculated without having to measure the speed at either camera. At its simplest, paired off ANPR cameras separated by a known distance, and a bit of maths.

Eg, google "do any average speed cameras measure speed"

This site lists (as at Dec 25) the various cams in use in England: https://www.whatcar.com/advice/owning/revealed-eve... Can't see one that is both an average speed cam and a spot speed cam.

I am pretty sure I have seen stretches of motorway with hadecs 3 cameras inside a Specs-average speed camera zone though.

[GolfDragon]

So if hypothetically speaking you are stuck in a traffic jam and it’s suddenly clear in an average speed zone you can’t exceed the specified limit or you run the risk of prosecution?

Such as trundling along at 20mph for 1/2 mile then doing 60mph for a 1/2 mile in an average 50mph zone. Whilst the mean average is 50mph.

Average speed cameras could also be median or mode lol (overthinking this - but just stick to 50 is the trick)

[johnpsanderson]

GolfDragon said:

you can t exceed the specified limit or you run the risk of prosecution?

If you exceed the stated limit you run the risk of prosecution. There s no average limit; it s an absolute limit. It s just that with average speed cameras enforcement is based on measuring your speed over a longer distance.

A fixed camera is still calculating an average; they don t take into account if you are accelerating or braking over the distance within which they clock your speed .

Edited by johnpsanderson on Wednesday 3rd June 22:03

[FoolsErrand]

I am alright Jack said:

Does sound a bit odd. I'm out of touch but I don't recall ever hearing of that happening.

Do you have a pic of the camera?

Same. It would be helpful to understand if there has been a change.

[Thankyou4calling]

Thanks. I don't have a picture but the camera has a sign on the pylon its on saying "Average speed camera"

The one previous to that covering the route is before I entered the road so I only went past one camera.

No average was or could be taken.

I know I may be clutching at straws but I've pleaded not guilty.

[Caddyshack]

I had wondered if they would also just snap speed but I have been past a couple on my bike at higher than posted limit with no issue. Maybe some do and some don’t or maybe it’s for a certain big % over?

[silentbrown]

Daughter's driving instructor insisted they worked by adding the speeds measured by the two cameras, dividing by two to "average" them and checking the result wasn't over the limit.