Anne s Story Before and after the crash

[robinessex]

Police to trial hi-tech handheld speed cameras


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv0001jm20o#c...

State-of-the art handheld cameras that use both laser and video technology to detect speeding drivers are to be trialled by police in Northern Ireland.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) said the three Trucam II cameras will help officers "enforce speed limits more effectively, and respond to local priorities and concerns"..................Speed is recognised as one of the Fatal Five, external,. It contributes significantly to the number of people killed or seriously injured on Northern Ireland roads.

Anne’s Story

Before and after the crash

https://www.psni.police.uk/safety-and-support/road...

It wasn't speed that caused the accident; it was a pissed driver.

[oyster]

How much more tax are YOU willing to pay for additional resources or tech to catch and prosecute more drinking drivers?

[gazza285]

KE=1/2mv^2

Speed might not be the cause, but it does influence the outcome.

[speedking31]

gazza285 said:

KE=1/2mv²

Speed might not be the cause, but it does influence the outcome.

It's the speed on impact that influences the outcome, not the speed at which the vehicle was travelling beforehand. A more alert / less drunk driver could react quicker to a hazard, resulting in a lower impact speed and less damage / risk to life. So arguably the state of the driver is equally or more important than the speed at which they were travelling before the hazard became apparent.

[robinessex]

oyster said:

How much more tax are YOU willing to pay for additional resources or tech to catch and prosecute more drinking drivers?

Er, the story is about the Police busy lobbing their new SPEED detection equipment. Easy hanging fruit to prosecute motorists, me thinks.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

robinessex said:

Er, the story is about the Police busy lobbing their new SPEED detection equipment. Easy hanging fruit to prosecute motorists, me thinks.

Dont speed then. You cant be prosecuted if you know how to handle your cars controls correctly.

[SlimJim16v]

[Simpo Two]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

robinessex said:

Er, the story is about the Police busy lobbing their new SPEED detection equipment. Easy hanging fruit to prosecute motorists, me thinks.

Dont speed then. You cant be prosecuted if you know how to handle your cars controls correctly.

'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

[Rayny]

Simpo Two said:

'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

At which point the virgin Mary threw a stone.
Jesus's then said "Mother, sometimes you can be so annoying!"

[MikeM6]

Rayny said:

Simpo Two said:

'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

At which point the virgin Mary threw a stone.
Jesus's then said "Mother, sometimes you can be so annoying!"

In the words of the Virgin Mary: "come again?".

[FarmyardPants]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

robinessex said:

Er, the story is about the Police busy lobbing their new SPEED detection equipment. Easy hanging fruit to prosecute motorists, me thinks.

Dont speed then. You cant be prosecuted if you know how to handle your cars controls correctly.

Did anyone have 6 replies? I had my bet on 4 as the 3:1 favourite. I’ll pay on 5 through 7.

Edited by FarmyardPants on Tuesday 7th July 21:03

[robinessex]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Don't speed then.

Define speed

[SchillingTwo]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Dont speed then. You cant be prosecuted if you know how to handle your cars controls correctly.

That’s clearly not correct, many people who choose to speed know full-well how you de the controls of the car.

That was quite a silly thing to post.

[springfan62]

56.1 percent of fatal collisions involve at least one speed related factor, and these are exceeding the speed limit, driving too fast for the conditions and or driver being aggressive, dangerous or reckless.

Those saying that speed isn't in it itself dangerous are merely trying to defend their god like driving ability but they fail to account of other road users and their ability to anticipate your speed and also the consequences when the accident happens.

Speed limits are there to protect everyone, even driving gods, and its also a lot more relaxing driving within the speed limit knowing you don't have to concern yourself with speed cameras.

[robinessex]

springfan62 said:

56.1 percent of fatal collisions involve at least one speed related factor

Correct. Stationary vehicles don't hit each other. There is only one type of accident 100% attributable to excess speed. With all other accidents, changing the speed factor wouldn't have prevented that type of accident.

[paddy1970]

springfan62 said:

56.1 percent of fatal collisions involve at least one speed related factor, and these are exceeding the speed limit, driving too fast for the conditions and or driver being aggressive, dangerous or reckless.

Those saying that speed isn't in it itself dangerous are merely trying to defend their god like driving ability but they fail to account of other road users and their ability to anticipate your speed and also the consequences when the accident happens.

Speed limits are there to protect everyone, even driving gods, and its also a lot more relaxing driving within the speed limit knowing you don't have to concern yourself with speed cameras.

The 56.1% figure is not correct as it has been calculated by simply adding separate percentages together. Those contributory factors overlap, so the same fatal collision may be counted under more than one category.

[SchillingTwo]

The last time I looked at the numbers I think that 7% of accidents were speed related, and not all of these involved exceeding the speed limit.

It seems a bit disingenuous to use accidents occurring below the speed limit to show why exceeding the speed limit is a bad thing.

[donkmeister]

Anne's story clearly shows that it wasn't speed that was to blame. Nor was it the fact that whoever was driving (her?) was pissed up and unable to control a car.

No.

It was the ditch.

Ban ditches. Ditches account for a large proportion of the crashes around here. The same people who can be sure to drive drunk at 70mph on a motorway without ending up in a ditch, you make a ditch available and they crash. Usually into a ditch.

Oh sure, some might say that ditches are necessary, but when was the last time you saw a waterlogged field? No, me neither, so fill in the ditches.

(Sarcasm, just in case anyone missed it!)

[ClaphamBoxS]

MikeM6 said:

Rayny said:

Simpo Two said:

'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

At which point the virgin Mary threw a stone.
Jesus's then said "Mother, sometimes you can be so annoying!"

In the words of the Virgin Mary: "come again?".

“No thanks Turkish i’m sweet enough…”

[Uncle Meat]

springfan62 said:

56.1 percent of fatal collisions involve at least one speed related factor, and these are exceeding the speed limit, driving too fast for the conditions and or driver being aggressive, dangerous or reckless.

And what percentage of that 56.1% would have been caught by a speed camera?