A20 Speeding Fines Deemed Unlawful

[courty]

Potentially tens of thousands of motorists received unlawful NIPs and subsequent points/fines/courses through a temporary speed restriction which was inadequately signed.
Local paper link: https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dartford/news/ludicro...
MPs waiting for response from Mayor of London Office for how their affected constituents will be compensated. Costs high and above the upfront fines/course fees etc.

[Rafka]

It’s not just the fines. Some people will have had to declare unjustified points to their insurance companies.

What a mess.

[wiggy001]

The most upsetting thing about this story is the price of diesel just 3 years ago in that article

[Graveworm]

Rafka said:

It s not just the fines. Some people will have had to declare unjustified points to their insurance companies.

What a mess.

There is chap in the article caught 5 times, disqualified, lost his job as a result - when he could drive again his insurance increased to over £3000...

[courty]

Rafka said:

It s not just the fines. Some people will have had to declare unjustified points to their insurance companies.

What a mess.

Exactly, it wasn't the speed reduction per se, it was the application of a few repeater signs with no major sign upon entering the zone and no explanation of temporary speed limit signs, some of the original 50mph limit repeater signs were inadvertantly left up, and the whole order was signed off by an officer with no qualification to do so. One driver triggered the camera 9 times before the first NIP arrived to alert him, crazy!

[Red Devil]

courty said:

Rafka said:

It s not just the fines. Some people will have had to declare unjustified points to their insurance companies.

What a mess.

Exactly, it wasn't the speed reduction per se, it was the application of a few repeater signs with no major sign upon entering the zone and no explanation of temporary speed limit signs, some of the original 50mph limit repeater signs were inadvertantly left up, and the whole order was signed off by an officer with no qualification to do so. One driver triggered the camera 9 times before the first NIP arrived to alert him, crazy!

I remember this stshow very well. I found out about it from a friend who nearly got caught out by it. Fortunately for me I had alternative routes for the journeys I needed to do.

[vikingaero]

I remember when this happened and both TfL and the Met pushed back really hard on any criticism. Surely both organisations would know something was fishy with the high numbers of NIPs being issued?

What will happen is that those who took them to Court will get a refund and compensation. Everyone else will most probably have to apply for a refund, rather than the Met and TfL contacting everyone who shouldn't have been NIPed/prosecuted.

[WrekinCrew]

What if you did a SAC? Could you reclaim the fee and do another one within 3 years?

[Mike Legerwood]

It will be interesting to see how they calculate the compensation due for those that have lost their job, had increased insurance premiums, perhaps lost out on attending an SAC for a subsequent speeding conviction, or possibly got a totting up ban, etc etc...

[Rafka]

Mike Legerwood said:

It will be interesting to see how they calculate the compensation due for those that have lost their job, had increased insurance premiums, perhaps lost out on attending an SAC for a subsequent speeding conviction, or possibly got a totting up ban, etc etc...

I reckon they’ll just refund any fines and remove the points. I can’t see them paying compensation for increased insurance premiums.

[megaphone]

Do forget 'they' means us tax payers who will foot any compensation bill.

[ferret50]

megaphone said:

Do forget 'they' means us tax payers who will foot any compensation bill.

Surely any costs should be down to the contractor who displayed the wrong signage?

[vikingaero]

ferret50 said:

megaphone said:

Do forget 'they' means us tax payers who will foot any compensation bill.

Surely any costs should be down to the contractor who displayed the wrong signage?

Shirley "they" means TfL and The Met who were so keen on moneygrabbing and doling out fines. That's not us, that's just us for some people in London. If you administration is so st that they incur costs then you can complain about them or vote them out.

[carl_w]

vikingaero said:

Shirley "they" means TfL and The Met who were so keen on moneygrabbing and doling out fines.

Plus they've already had the money earning interest in their bank account...

[donkmeister]

I've never had a NIP. If you fill in the paperwork stating "yes, it was me, I'll take the fine" do you have a leg to stand on if the speed limit is later deemed unlawful? Or is it a full and final settlement that you can't back away from?

It will be interesting to see how it plays out for those who lost jobs etc...