Check Your Wheel Bearings!
Check Your Wheel Bearings!
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Eugene7

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741 posts

223 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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It looks like Caterham are not putting enough grease in the front wheel bearings...

See: HERE

This happened in a small convoy I was in on the way back from Le Mans... it could have been a lot worse!

pikeyboy

2,349 posts

243 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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Is it that they arent putting enough grease in?, or are they over tightening the hub nut taking up to much clearance in the bearing? You dont actually need that much grease to lubricate a bearing.

DCL

1,228 posts

208 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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The lack of grease may not be a surprise if it has got very hot. The post suggests that the stub axle went blue so some very high temperatures there! I think a little more forensic analysis as to the cause would be wise. It should be a regular service item and definitely in the first service IMHO.

BertBert

21,224 posts

240 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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DCL said:
It should be a regular service item and definitely in the first service IMHO.
What is the service action? Checking or lubricating or both?

DCL

1,228 posts

208 months

Friday 19th July 2013
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I would dismantle, clean, and repack the bearings. Personally, I would also run a slight pre-load (8 NM on the nut) although I accept that many people don't like doing that. The main reason for cleaning at the first service is to remove the running-in debris. Once you've got a good bearing with clean grease it'll go on for many thousands of miles. Track cars that generate high brake temperatures may need more regular checks/cleaning/repacking.

Eugene7

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741 posts

223 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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There have been a number of such 'failures' reported, and Chris at The 7 Workshop has repaired a number of such failures, as well as preventing many by re-packing the bearings.

It most definitely IS a lack of grease.

The overheating of the stub axle was caused by the failed bearing, not the other way round.

You can see just how bad the bearing failure was in the images.

pikeyboy

2,349 posts

243 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Eugene7, I would be very surprised is if it's a lack of grease despite what you may have heard from other sources. For it to be a lack of grease there would have to be almost no grease what so ever in them. Remember you only need a minute film thickness to prevent asperity tip contact between the rollers and race surfaces. The grease's roll is predominantly as a lubricant to separate the roller and races rather than for any cooling, if it had been oil lubricated it would have been different. Also modern cars with sealed bearings manage to complete many thousands of miles with only the tiny amount of grease contained within the sealed for life unit, they do however have the correct clearance set in them during manufacture.

In a back to back tapper roller bearing configuration as per that used in Caterham front hub bearings the outer nut sets the clearance between the rollers and races. Over tightening of this nut is a much more probable way of causing the failure you have suffered. This is why you are told to "nip" up the nut and then turn it backwards to get the split pin the through the next previous hole allowing for a degree of play in the bearing since a slightly loose fit is prefferable to an over tight fit. It would be very easy for someone untrained or uncaring to have carried on nipping it up to get the split pin aligned with a slot on the castle nut thus resulting in a situation where the bearing has insufficient clearance. This would then lead to the bearing running hot and potentially melt out any grease expediting its failure.

Having said this, without seeing the parts and a forensic disassembly it is difficult to offer an opinion with a high degree of certainty. This is from someone who inspects industrial gearbox and bearing failures for a living.


edited - Since I cant spell

Edited by boy on Monday 22 July 12:31

Eugene7

Original Poster:

741 posts

223 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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boy said:
there would have to be almost no grease what so ever in them
That's exactly the problem...

DCL

1,228 posts

208 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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I'd agree with boy. Every engineering reference you look at suggests excessive pre-load or overload for this kind of failure. Lack of lubrication seldom leads to the catastrophic failure as seen in the photos - there's simply too much noise and warning to let it get that far. I'd guess this was a relatively sudden failure (on the right hand side?). Possibly the inner races were rotating on the stub axle - eventually overheating and partially seizing to the spacer/nut and increasing pre-load further. I'd like to know what state the split pin was in!

Only an opinion mind - happy to be proved wrong!!

Eugene7

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741 posts

223 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Chris at The 7 Workshop has forgotten more then most of us will ever know about such issues...

I will go with his findings on various car's he has serviced - a lack of grease was to blame.
He's says he has seen this numerous times on recent 7s (from the past few years).
And as the OP on the linked to story states, there have been folded over seals as well...

All very poor silly

Risky

167 posts

254 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Eugene
We've also seen 3 or 4 cars with similar shortage of grease. These have all been relatively new Sigma powered cars inc. a couple of Academy cars..
I'm no expert, but I also think it is shortage of grease that has caused problems.