Konica Minolta Dimage X21
Discussion
Hi, I have one of these little fellas!
General impressions are OK, the photos are not fantastic but I'm comparing it to my dads 4 megapixel Muji 400.
Pros;
Light Weight
3x Optical Zoom within case
Uses AA batteries
Cheap (I got it for £85 inc P&P)
Pretty good build quality
Photos are OK
Movie mode good
Very fast start up time
Cons;
Night photos are pretty poor
Autofocus takes a while sometimes
Pics dont seem as good quality as my mates Fuji 2 megapixel jobbie.
Overall its pretty good and for what I wanted it for its ideal as it easily fits im a shirt pocket for a night out.
If you want sample pics just ask as I cant access my webspace at the mo to upload.
Ben
General impressions are OK, the photos are not fantastic but I'm comparing it to my dads 4 megapixel Muji 400.
Pros;
Light Weight
3x Optical Zoom within case
Uses AA batteries
Cheap (I got it for £85 inc P&P)
Pretty good build quality
Photos are OK
Movie mode good
Very fast start up time
Cons;
Night photos are pretty poor
Autofocus takes a while sometimes
Pics dont seem as good quality as my mates Fuji 2 megapixel jobbie.
Overall its pretty good and for what I wanted it for its ideal as it easily fits im a shirt pocket for a night out.
If you want sample pics just ask as I cant access my webspace at the mo to upload.
Ben
ywouldi said:
Overall its pretty good and for what I wanted it for its ideal as it easily fits im a shirt pocket for a night out.
Ben
Ah...well this is why I've just bought one.. trouble is pics are sooooooo noisy.
in local.. with flash (100% crop)
and no flash but in a daylit room (100% crop)
Not that impressive to my eye... wondering if yours performs any better ?
regards, Ed
It's worth noting that more megapixels doesn't necessarily make a better camera. IMO the more pixels there are, the smaller they tend to be, the worse the light sensitivity, and the way the camera software processes the image afterwards is important too.
If I had to choose between a top brand 3Mp and a Happy Shopper 4Mp, I'd take the 3Mp.
If I had to choose between a top brand 3Mp and a Happy Shopper 4Mp, I'd take the 3Mp.
Mmmm, noisy is the word I meant to use!
Yeah, mine is quite bad, but doesnt seem that bad to be honest. One thing that I found increased the quality (to my untrained eye) is upping the exposure composition to 0.7. This seemed to make the photos somewhat better for the indoor shots, but maybe slightly too bright for outdoor, but not too bad if you know what i mean
Heres pics from mine.
Indoor with fairly poor lighting only from window and its pretty overcast.
Flash on:
Flash off:
Outdoor:
All pics have been halved in size using paint and stretch by 50%. All are taken using exposure comp +0.7
edited to say:
Lucky you bought it in a shop, i cant be bothered with the hassle of trying to send it back to 7dayshop.com cos I think the photos arent great.
>> Edited by ywouldi on Monday 9th August 18:59
>> Edited by ywouldi on Monday 9th August 19:17
>> Edited by ywouldi on Monday 9th August 19:19
>> Edited by ywouldi on Monday 9th August 19:20
Yeah, mine is quite bad, but doesnt seem that bad to be honest. One thing that I found increased the quality (to my untrained eye) is upping the exposure composition to 0.7. This seemed to make the photos somewhat better for the indoor shots, but maybe slightly too bright for outdoor, but not too bad if you know what i mean
Heres pics from mine.
Indoor with fairly poor lighting only from window and its pretty overcast.
Flash on:
Flash off:
Outdoor:
All pics have been halved in size using paint and stretch by 50%. All are taken using exposure comp +0.7
edited to say:
Lucky you bought it in a shop, i cant be bothered with the hassle of trying to send it back to 7dayshop.com cos I think the photos arent great.
>> Edited by ywouldi on Monday 9th August 18:59
>> Edited by ywouldi on Monday 9th August 19:17
>> Edited by ywouldi on Monday 9th August 19:19
>> Edited by ywouldi on Monday 9th August 19:20
just as a comparison I dug out my very old £99 2MP Fuji 2200 which I've just dropped once too many times.. hence Minolta purchase
Both 100% crops, no flash
Minolta:
Fuji:
This was having set x21 at +0.7EV as suggested. Think the X21's little ccd just trying too hard. The Fuji is darker though gives a far more indicative picture of the actual light in the room (ok a touch dark perhaps)and look how much more detail it's getting. Perhaps thats the price of trying a tiny camera - it's prob. half the Fuji's size. Fuji yields a reasonably smaller file too.
I've sent the earlier samples to Minolta for their comment.. will let you know what they say.
Ed
>> Edited by Edt on Tuesday 10th August 03:00
Both 100% crops, no flash
Minolta:
Fuji:
This was having set x21 at +0.7EV as suggested. Think the X21's little ccd just trying too hard. The Fuji is darker though gives a far more indicative picture of the actual light in the room (ok a touch dark perhaps)and look how much more detail it's getting. Perhaps thats the price of trying a tiny camera - it's prob. half the Fuji's size. Fuji yields a reasonably smaller file too.
I've sent the earlier samples to Minolta for their comment.. will let you know what they say.
Ed
>> Edited by Edt on Tuesday 10th August 03:00
I did in fact carry out a test using negative EV (exposure value by the way i.e. compensation)with the hope it would calm the CCD down & remove all that ghastly noise.. no good though - made no difference - pictures darker but noise identical.
Might go for a canon Ixus now as a buddy tells me it's fine in low light. Was actually quite happy with my old Finepix just became unreliable recently.
Ed
Might go for a canon Ixus now as a buddy tells me it's fine in low light. Was actually quite happy with my old Finepix just became unreliable recently.
Ed
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