S3C Speedometer over-reading by x2
S3C Speedometer over-reading by x2
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NaCl

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286 posts

201 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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Having bought the car a couple of years back knowing the speedo was showing exactly twice what the car was actually doing (and obviously clocking up double the mileage), I've had enough.

The prevous owner used this hallowed forum to try to resolve the issue, but was ultimately unsuccessful. I've re-visited these posts and tried to to grips with the problem. So far, I have been unsuccessful too.

I've tried using a voltage regulator (a "TS7805" - as per a previous suggestion) in the pulse circuit, but it made no difference at all.

Would it be possible to get a gearbox sender unit that sends out half as many pulses as the unit currently fitted so that the speedo reads correctly?

(I'm only currently doing about 3000 miles per year - 6000 on the speedo. I'm limited to 10k on the insurance, but it won't take much to theoretically put me over the mileage limit).

The current Ford sender unit has the following codes on it:
95GB-
9E731-CA
D25KE
602 120

The previous owner gave me a brand new speedo unit bought from David Gerald. (Labelled S2/S3). This doesn't appear to work - at least not with this sender.

He also gave me another sender with the following code:
95GB-
9E731-EA
D25KE
602 152

This doesn't work with either speedo.

Any help or assistance would be much appreciated.

v8s4me

7,268 posts

242 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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It sounds like you have the wrong sender unit. I don't know if the Ford ones work on the same principle as the Rover units but if they do then there are two types, 4-pulse and 8-pulse. On the face of it, you may have an 8-pulse fitted instead of a 4-pulse. Your other option is to send the new speedo head and your spare sender unit to somewhere like Speedycables and get them to match one to the other.

TVRees

1,086 posts

135 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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The original on my S2 has the following numbers

86gb9e731ab / 9b15 / 17253

If you are using the ....EA or ....CA senders, these may indeed be the wrong ones.

TVRees

1,086 posts

135 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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Here's one on eBay ....
sensor

NaCl

Original Poster:

286 posts

201 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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Thanks for the information guys, much appreciated. I may go for an AB-type sensor, but that one on ebay is too expensive to take a chance on. Maybe I'll keep a look out for one a bit cheaper....or a second hamd one.

I'm not convinced the 'new' speedo I have works at all to warramt sending it off. I tried it with the current sender and it went backwards and stayed at a constant reading even at different wheel speeds (back of car jacked up with wheels off the ground). If I knew it worked okay, I would sell it to help pay for a sender.

Such an awkward job to sort. Centre dash out, steering cowl removed, column lowered, speedo removed, taking care not to upset all that bloody fragile wiring...and all the while needing stick thin fingers and hands to get to stuff. Nightmare. Not a job I want to do too often. All put back together at the moment while I humbly look for amswers from you Gurus.

Thanks again.

TVRees

1,086 posts

135 months

NaCl

Original Poster:

286 posts

201 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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TVRees said:
Hmmm. That's tempting...

Thank you.

Barkychoc

7,848 posts

227 months

Monday 28th March 2016
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It's fairly easy to divide a digital 5V signal by two - I haven't dabbled for a long while but off the top of my head get a binary counter chip, put the speedo pulses into the clock input, and use the lowest bit output to the speedo.

v8s4me

7,268 posts

242 months

Monday 28th March 2016
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TVRees said:
How about this....http://tvr-parts.com/tvr-parts/part-details/tvr-s28f-10010/speedo-transducer
Blimey! That's 1/3rd the price of one for a V8S.

TurboTony

908 posts

194 months

Monday 28th March 2016
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v8s4me said:
Blimey! That's 1/3rd the price of one for a V8S.
Joe
Everyone knows that you V8 guys have wads of cash, unlike us poor V6 people.

NaCl

Original Poster:

286 posts

201 months

Monday 28th March 2016
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Barkychoc said:
It's fairly easy to divide a digital 5V signal by two - I haven't dabbled for a long while but off the top of my head get a binary counter chip, put the speedo pulses into the clock input, and use the lowest bit output to the speedo.
Sorry Chris, but I'm afraid you lost me after the word "digital"...

Barkychoc

7,848 posts

227 months

Monday 28th March 2016
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If you change the sender and it's the same give me a shout it wouldn't take much for me to make the circuit up.

NaCl

Original Poster:

286 posts

201 months

Monday 28th March 2016
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Barkychoc said:
If you change the sender and it's the same give me a shout it wouldn't take much for me to make the circuit up.
That's very good of you. Much appreciated, thanks.

TVRees

1,086 posts

135 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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As a suggestion use one of these - very cheap. Use the Qa output to halve the frequency.

http://www.mercateo.co.uk/p/2811-74LS93/IC_digital...

phillpot

17,446 posts

206 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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TVRees said:
Use the Qa output to halve the frequency.
Not got a clue on this kind of stuff but is it simply a case of putting that "thing" in series, input to CKA (all other connections unused)?

Can wires be soldered onto those pins or will a normal soldering iron "fry" the chip?

TVRees

1,086 posts

135 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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Barkychoc gave the details yesterday. See post at 14:05 above. I was just mentioning which IC could be used.