So, do you need an S series editor and

[AutoAndy]

Sounds like the new resolution for the club AGM remove not only the directors does your current S club series editor what do you think

has it all gone to his head

Is he getting big headed

should we get rid of him i.e. me

[glenrobbo]

You have my support Andy..






Please can you make sure it is properly laundered before you hand it back?

Oh, and I don't want it starched thanks.

[Andy Lynch]

Second That.

Voting to keep things as they are.

Andy

[Barry S1]

I'm going to send mine tomorrow,
Who are these people trying to change
things ?

[SJS357]

We'll be going on the day should be interesting meeting.
You have our vote Andy.

[GreenV8S]

Barry S1 said:

I'm going to send mine tomorrow,
Who are these people trying to change
things ?

And have any of them ever actually served on the committee, or anywhere else in the club come to that?

[Barry S1]

I wonder if they will be at the AGM,
Can't see them being very popular

[Niiige]

I don't understand.

What's going on?

Did I miss a memo ?

Do we need to defend your honour Andy ?

[Barry S1]

Have a look at the voting form in sprint

[Niiige]

I've caught up now.

This seems bonkers imho

I'll vote to keep Auto Andy !

Did I really just type that

[mk1fan]

AutoAndy said:

Sounds like the new resolution for the club AGM remove not only the directors does your current S club series editor what do you think

Not true. The resolution as proposed specifically limited the conditions to the Board positions. The ROs and magazine staff were not included. There was also a change over period included.

Unfortunately, the 'Club' changed the proposal so that it would imply that 90% of all contributers would need to instantly resign.

If anyone would like a copy of the original proposal, I am happy to supply a copy via email.

Frankly, in my humble opinion, the mere act of doctoring the proposal has raised ethical questions.

Irregardless of the outcome of the vote, I am considering my membership.

[glenrobbo]

This matter was brought up at my local Region meet this evening.

It would seem that there has been skullduggery afoot, and some dubious actions by one or more persons who shall be nameless has resulted in a very one-sided representation of some issues that had been legitimately raised.
It would seem that there is an attempt to stifle the views of some members that have expressed concerns that the open and democratic values that we all stand for in the TVRCC are being undermined.

Yes please Stewart, I would be very pleased if you could email me any information that you have.

Edited by glenrobbo on Friday 17th March 20:35

[GreenV8S]

glenrobbo said:

some dubious actions by one or more persons who shall be nameless has resulted in a very one-sided representation of some issues that had been legitimately raised.

I have not seen anything to explain what those legitimate issues are, or how forcing club committee members to resign would resolve them.

[Buzzlt]

Never voted before and after reading it all appears some people may have gone insane !

However love the magazine and it's always a good read even though I don't even own a TVR !

Wondering how necessary it is that I return the form this time or can it be done online ?

Bearing in mind that I only received this yesterday and have less than 10 days to decide, fill it out, buy an envelope, stamp and somehow get it in the post in time for it to be counted.

Looks like dirty tactics to me !!

[RayTVR]

Or you can download a voting form, tick some boxes, scan it and email it to the club.....

[mk1fan]

GreenV8S said:

I have not seen anything to explain what those legitimate issues are, or how forcing club committee members to resign would resolve them.

A cursary overview is that a number of reasonable, basic questions had been raised on a number of occasions. These questions were not uncommon things to be asked of a 'club' board. Instead of answering them, the club have continuously refused to.

This has been going on for a while.

The original proposal is not uncommon protocol in club or societies. Indeed, a lot of companies have similar protocols.

Glen, I'll send you a copy tomorrow when I am in front of my laptop.

[Longers]

mk1fan said:

The resolution as proposed specifically limited the conditions to the Board positions. The ROs and magazine staff were not included.

That may have been the intention of the proposal but the legal advice the club took concluded it meant it DID include the ROs and editors.

mk1fan said:

Unfortunately, the 'Club' changed the proposal so that it would imply that 90% of all contributers would need to instantly resign...

...the mere act of doctoring the proposal has raised ethical questions.

Be careful Stuart, that's a pretty strong accusation you are making there! There is a very long topic about this in the Club forum and nobody has ever suggested that "the 'Club' changed the proposal". As said above the legal interpretation may be different to what was intended but that doesn't mean the proposal has been "changed".

mk1fan said:

A cursary overview is that a number of reasonable, basic questions had been raised on a number of occasions. These questions were not uncommon things to be asked of a 'club' board. Instead of answering them, the club have continuously refused to.

I agree those sort of questions are acceptable. If you read the topic in the forum you will see that the committee have answered every question they have been asked but those behind the proposal have not responded to multiple requests from the committee or ordinary members for more information.

I'm not saying everything is perfect and I agree there are always things that can be improved but this proposal is not the way to do it.

[Oldred_V8S]

Longers said:

mk1fan said:

Stuff

That may have been the intention of the proposal but the legal advice the club took concluded it meant it DID include the ROs and editors.

mk1fan said:

Stuff

Be careful Stuart, that's a pretty strong accusation you are making there! There is a very long topic about this in the Club forum and nobody has ever suggested that "the 'Club' changed the proposal". As said above the legal interpretation may be different to what was intended but that doesn't mean the proposal has been "changed".

mk1fan said:

Stuff

I agree those sort of questions are acceptable. If you read the topic in the forum you will see that the committee have answered every question they have been asked but those behind the proposal have not responded to multiple requests from the committee or ordinary members for more information.

I'm not saying everything is perfect and I agree there are always things that can be improved but this proposal is not the way to do it.

I agree with Longers, Stu. Unless you have cast iron evidence or fancy seeing the inside of a court and have very deep pockets, it may be a good idea to remove your posts and request any re-posts are removed too.

I belong to other motoring clubs and have observed how quickly issues like this can go nuclear.

[GreenV8S]

mk1fan said:

A cursary overview is that a number of reasonable, basic questions had been raised on a number of occasions. These questions were not uncommon things to be asked of a 'club' board. Instead of answering them, the club have continuously refused to.

This has been going on for a while.

The original proposal is not uncommon protocol in club or societies. Indeed, a lot of companies have similar protocols.

Glen, I'll send you a copy tomorrow when I am in front of my laptop.

I'm curious to know what the questions were.

It seems to me that a big difference between companies/societies and our club is that volunteers to run the club are few and far between. The most important challenge IMO is finding enough people willing to put in the time and effort needed to run the club. If somebody is dissatisfied with the way the club is being run, I think that rather than trying to force existing committee members to resign and hope somebody better will take over, it would be more constructive to offer to help. If the help is rejected and you feel strongly that things need to change, then stand for election. If enough people agree with you, you'll get elected.

[RayTVR]

back on topic,

I think Andy is doing a great job and is having a much wider influence on the world than we realised.

Following is from a video by US rapper 'Snoop-Dogg' (apparantly)