20mph in the villages
Discussion
It was implemented a few weeks back where I live and had general consensus is it's a waste of space more do on the very wide, very straight and very long main road though the village and with 40mph sections at either end... lot of drivers simply carry on regardless. Others go 17mph and as a result, overtakes are alarmingly common now. The other huge observation is ironically, observation... or a lack of as going 20mph on such a long, straight empty section results in more drivers drifting off, looking into people's drives, living room windows or doing many other things aside for paying attention. On the smaller, residential streets and near the school... fair enough but the main through road, it actually feels less safe and that's a view shared by many.
But I also live in an area where pavement parking is now banned and carnage has reigned ever since... traffic flow is terrible, buses get stuck, tempers fray, frustration is rising on both accounts and it feels like it's going to implode very soon.
Again I'd advocate both new changes, but there's a time and a place but this one size fits all mentality of the implementation is poorly though out and is causing fairly significant issues plus as yet, there's been no enforcement of the new limit not the pavement parking ban.
Plenty safety camera deployments on the massive, arrow straight A roads between towns though...
But I also live in an area where pavement parking is now banned and carnage has reigned ever since... traffic flow is terrible, buses get stuck, tempers fray, frustration is rising on both accounts and it feels like it's going to implode very soon.
Again I'd advocate both new changes, but there's a time and a place but this one size fits all mentality of the implementation is poorly though out and is causing fairly significant issues plus as yet, there's been no enforcement of the new limit not the pavement parking ban.
Plenty safety camera deployments on the massive, arrow straight A roads between towns though...
Edited by Davie on Sunday 19th October 23:36
I tend to stick to most of them, certainly the ones at schools and narrow roads with parked cars.
Plenty around me don't and seem to think that tailgating me will speed me up... yet they can't keep up when we get back into the NSL roads.
I've had a few run in's with some... there is 1 stretch where there are parked cars on both sides and a primary school.
The 20 zone is 200 meters... These idiots can't work out that it only "costs" them 7 seconds of their important lives to stay within the law, and potentially save a kids life should the worst happen.
They seem completely oblivious that you can measure these things, 1 particular angry middle manager with blank buttons on his s
t car claiming it takes "several minutes" to cover the distance at 20...
I also have a fairly active local group in another village, who are out with the hi viz on with cameras etc... they seem to be more bothered about noise/motorbikes than speed though.. again, I've pointed that out to them one day when I went through at 30 in my EV without a blink, then followed up by doing 19 on my bike and got a very different reception..
Plenty around me don't and seem to think that tailgating me will speed me up... yet they can't keep up when we get back into the NSL roads.
I've had a few run in's with some... there is 1 stretch where there are parked cars on both sides and a primary school.
The 20 zone is 200 meters... These idiots can't work out that it only "costs" them 7 seconds of their important lives to stay within the law, and potentially save a kids life should the worst happen.
They seem completely oblivious that you can measure these things, 1 particular angry middle manager with blank buttons on his s
t car claiming it takes "several minutes" to cover the distance at 20... I also have a fairly active local group in another village, who are out with the hi viz on with cameras etc... they seem to be more bothered about noise/motorbikes than speed though.. again, I've pointed that out to them one day when I went through at 30 in my EV without a blink, then followed up by doing 19 on my bike and got a very different reception..
I think it should be case by case, some applications of 20 are excessive, others are very much needed.
Same for all speed limits. Once they are reduced they will unlikely ever go up. It’s an easy cash in for the treasury. There is plenty of money to install cameras but not so much to update the road network quality.
Same for all speed limits. Once they are reduced they will unlikely ever go up. It’s an easy cash in for the treasury. There is plenty of money to install cameras but not so much to update the road network quality.
I did enjoy shouting "twenty's plenty" at one of the local community councillors riding his push bike at speed downhill through the local village recently!
As above, everyone seems to be largely ignoring it here in Aberdeenshire.
I haven't heard anything else about the proposed national speed limit reduction though - hopefully the news that it's an almost universally hated idea in rural Scotland has reached Edinburgh and it'll get canned but I'm not convinced.
As above, everyone seems to be largely ignoring it here in Aberdeenshire.
I haven't heard anything else about the proposed national speed limit reduction though - hopefully the news that it's an almost universally hated idea in rural Scotland has reached Edinburgh and it'll get canned but I'm not convinced.
Finding it very hard to recalibrate to 20mph after nearly 30 years of driving without staring at my speedo. Then I'm tailgated when I get it right, was even overtaken the other day.
Recently come back from the US and they were 25mph in built up areas which seems a good compromise.
I do however agree it's a good thing around schools, shops etc. Aberdeenshire council seem to have taken a fairly sensible approach where to apply it and where to retain 30mph.
Recently come back from the US and they were 25mph in built up areas which seems a good compromise.
I do however agree it's a good thing around schools, shops etc. Aberdeenshire council seem to have taken a fairly sensible approach where to apply it and where to retain 30mph.
East Dunbartonshire for the prize. Every single road in the towns going to 20mph.
A rural 60 going to 30 because they widened a pavement letting cycles choose to avoid the road. This is now 30mph. The road hasn't changed. The pavement is now a good quality 2.5m wide shared path. And the jogger in view means it was busier than usual that day.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FtnrmdEHS6if6Ni56
Most people ignore it but it just takes one and some oncoming traffic.
A rural 60 going to 30 because they widened a pavement letting cycles choose to avoid the road. This is now 30mph. The road hasn't changed. The pavement is now a good quality 2.5m wide shared path. And the jogger in view means it was busier than usual that day.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FtnrmdEHS6if6Ni56
Most people ignore it but it just takes one and some oncoming traffic.
scz4 said:
Finding it very hard to recalibrate to 20mph after nearly 30 years of driving without staring at my speedo. Then I'm tailgated when I get it right, was even overtaken the other day.
Recently come back from the US and they were 25mph in built up areas which seems a good compromise.
I do however agree it's a good thing around schools, shops etc. Aberdeenshire council seem to have taken a fairly sensible approach where to apply it and where to retain 30mph.
I find that too - what once felt intuitive is gone now.Recently come back from the US and they were 25mph in built up areas which seems a good compromise.
I do however agree it's a good thing around schools, shops etc. Aberdeenshire council seem to have taken a fairly sensible approach where to apply it and where to retain 30mph.
I’m actually relying more on my cruise control & sticking it at 25.
CrgT16 said:
I think it should be case by case, some applications of 20 are excessive, others are very much needed.
Same for all speed limits. Once they are reduced they will unlikely ever go up. It s an easy cash in for the treasury. There is plenty of money to install cameras but not so much to update the road network quality.
Average cameras will be next at each end of the 20s. Same for all speed limits. Once they are reduced they will unlikely ever go up. It s an easy cash in for the treasury. There is plenty of money to install cameras but not so much to update the road network quality.
Here in P&K, the villages on the A94 have been reduced to 20mph. From the various sump scrapes on the large speed humps that have accompanied the speed limit changes, it appears a lot of people are getting caught out by them. They have no markings on them and I can imagine they are difficult to see in the dark, wet roads or combination of both. You might expect a hump on entering the 20mph zone but I think they are catching people out as they accelerate out of the villages and they are greeted with another hump across the whole width of the road.
I recently drove around the Fife Coastal Route in the Caterham and it was an enormous pain trying to manoeuvre around the humps, got quite tiresome and spoilt the drive.
I recently drove around the Fife Coastal Route in the Caterham and it was an enormous pain trying to manoeuvre around the humps, got quite tiresome and spoilt the drive.
Snow and Rocks said:
Speed bumps on an A road is ridiculous - thankfully none of that or other speed limit reductions here in Aberdeenshire.
Dunecht , echt and torphins all have 20 zones that are far too long. Fine at the schools but no one does it now as everywhere is a 20 so no one sees the extra danger zone.they have desensitised the importance of a 20 zone.
Scaleybrat said:
Here in P&K, the villages on the A94 have been reduced to 20mph. From the various sump scrapes on the large speed humps that have accompanied the speed limit changes, it appears a lot of people are getting caught out by them. They have no markings on them and I can imagine they are difficult to see in the dark, wet roads or combination of both. You might expect a hump on entering the 20mph zone but I think they are catching people out as they accelerate out of the villages and they are greeted with another hump across the whole width of the road.
I recently drove around the Fife Coastal Route in the Caterham and it was an enormous pain trying to manoeuvre around the humps, got quite tiresome and spoilt the drive.
At least Scone and Coupar Angus have avoided the humps so far. Burrelton is a 0 - 10 mph village now with the introduction of no pavement parking.I recently drove around the Fife Coastal Route in the Caterham and it was an enormous pain trying to manoeuvre around the humps, got quite tiresome and spoilt the drive.
asfault said:
Snow and Rocks said:
Speed bumps on an A road is ridiculous - thankfully none of that or other speed limit reductions here in Aberdeenshire.
Dunecht , echt and torphins all have 20 zones that are far too long. Fine at the schools but no one does it now as everywhere is a 20 so no one sees the extra danger zone.they have desensitised the importance of a 20 zone.
I hated a couple 60 > 20 zones when they appeared because that was a big drop in speed on A roads. But in a village or town I don't see the issue. Kids can appear at any time and even many adults need lessons on crossing the roads, glued to their phones etc. If it means I have to slow down a touch so be it, I'd sooner do that that have someones death on my conscience.
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