280 gearbox swap.
Discussion
I'd like to put a 5 speeder onto my current 2.8 4 speed.
Anyone know what is likely to be the most easily available box, and what about the hydraulic clutch ?
No doubt the prop will need shortening also.
Can I keep the present clutch, which is being replaced tomorrow?
Any advice appreciated.
Anyone know what is likely to be the most easily available box, and what about the hydraulic clutch ?
No doubt the prop will need shortening also.
Can I keep the present clutch, which is being replaced tomorrow?
Any advice appreciated.
grahamw48 said:
On a Granada site it was stated that the 2 litre Capri/Sierra (and presumably -Granny) was a suitable box, using the 2.8 bellhousing.
I will follow that up first, as they're lying around scrappers all over the place.
Yup, 2litre(+1.6+1.8) also has the type 9 box, there are a few different ratios about though, so you might need to ponder that. Beware the Granada, many have electronic takeoffs for the speedo which are a bit of a pain when you want to connect your mechanical speedo. Also beware some later ones without removable bellhousings. Fine up to 200bhp ish b4 you'll need to consider beefing them up, £50 tops.
Later Grannies and Sierras had MT75, it's wider and might be a pain fitting down your tunnel
though prob ok. Actually, IIRC has integral bellhousing so watch out. Reverse is in different position between these if you want an easy way to tell without crawling under precarious cars!
Failing that, you can get some lovely sequential boxes
good luck
Dave
Hi Dave.
Thanks for the info'.
You're right about 'my tunnel'(!?).
The poor guys at the garage that's doing my clutch change are having nightmares with the job, due to the series 1 chassis limitations.
Of course it's my poor wallet that will suffer !
Being wise in hindsight, it would have been better to haul both engine and box out, and stuck the 24valve in.
But, so it goes.
I guess I also would like to get some use out of the car
during breaks in this wonderful weather
Meanwhile the garage owner has pointed out that his Cossie-engined Marlin is for sale.
10 grand IS a lot of ackers though.
Maybe I'll see you around (York?), as I'm down there a couple of times a week.
Thanks for the info'.
You're right about 'my tunnel'(!?).
The poor guys at the garage that's doing my clutch change are having nightmares with the job, due to the series 1 chassis limitations.
Of course it's my poor wallet that will suffer !
Being wise in hindsight, it would have been better to haul both engine and box out, and stuck the 24valve in.
But, so it goes.
I guess I also would like to get some use out of the car
during breaks in this wonderful weather
Meanwhile the garage owner has pointed out that his Cossie-engined Marlin is for sale.
10 grand IS a lot of ackers though.
Maybe I'll see you around (York?), as I'm down there a couple of times a week.
Couple of points i found when i put a sierra box into my FHC.
The 5spd sierra box is shorter than the 4 speed original, yes shorter so you either need to lengthen the prop, or in my case move the engine back (i'm using custom engine mounts).
The same gear box mount can be used, although it could have gone soft over time, but it's still avalible from Ford dealers.
Watch for the spigot bearing (the one that goes into the flywheel) the later boxes have a larger diameter machining on the end of the spline (while the splines are the same) Theyre a pain to get out, and dont push them into the end of the crank shaft cos its a bigger pain (I know). Anyway again theyre avalible from Ford for not much (significatly less than a fiver)
As for clutch...get a sierra release arm then go down the scrapyard and look for a slave that might fit...i used a Fiat Punto slave (and master)...i'll try and get under the car later and take some photos of this.
Hope this has helped
Regards
Iain
The 5spd sierra box is shorter than the 4 speed original, yes shorter so you either need to lengthen the prop, or in my case move the engine back (i'm using custom engine mounts).
The same gear box mount can be used, although it could have gone soft over time, but it's still avalible from Ford dealers.
Watch for the spigot bearing (the one that goes into the flywheel) the later boxes have a larger diameter machining on the end of the spline (while the splines are the same) Theyre a pain to get out, and dont push them into the end of the crank shaft cos its a bigger pain (I know). Anyway again theyre avalible from Ford for not much (significatly less than a fiver)
As for clutch...get a sierra release arm then go down the scrapyard and look for a slave that might fit...i used a Fiat Punto slave (and master)...i'll try and get under the car later and take some photos of this.
Hope this has helped
Regards
Iain
Having just changed my 4 speed to 5, on my 200 I can offer the following info. The T9 box is the same for pinto and v6 engines,there are three differant ratios, look on the small tab for S9 thats standard box, W9 was used on the ford pickup and has wide radio, so C9 means close ratio. The seal turret should have the part number BA at the end. AA is for the pinto and is slightly shorter than the BA turret. The T9 box is overall larger so will be a slightly tighter fit in the transmision tunnel and although the rear drive section is shorter the whole box is only about 5mm shorter I was able to reuse my old prop as its in a spline fit, leaves load on the shaft. The shaft has 23 splines at the front so will fit the standard clutch. The rear mounting point is slightly futher forward so the bracket has to be altered. The engine does not have to come out but there is an easy way and a scrap the knuckles way.I have done a little write up with photos for my own website, not up at moment but if you want a copy of my efforts just email me
Ok Dave, sounds good.
I lived in York for 30 years, so I know my way round !
Degz:
You're a star ! brilliant info! Just the detail I need.
You know what it's like scratching around in scrapyards. Ref.#'s is what is required.
The garage doing my clutch have really struggled with it because of the lack of space around the box.
As I suspected, spigot was also totally knackered.
I now wish I'd asked them to pull the whole engine/box out, and deposited it in a large cardboard box, ready for me to pull apart.
They've already had to strip half the car
Now wedgeless for the weekend, and the sun is going to shine
It's inspired me to do any further work back at home instead of being a lazy bugger !
I would think the car would have to be pretty high up on the axle stands though, as access is so appalling.
I believe the series 2 cars had more space in the chassis.
I lived in York for 30 years, so I know my way round !
Degz:
You're a star ! brilliant info! Just the detail I need.
You know what it's like scratching around in scrapyards. Ref.#'s is what is required.
The garage doing my clutch have really struggled with it because of the lack of space around the box.
As I suspected, spigot was also totally knackered.
I now wish I'd asked them to pull the whole engine/box out, and deposited it in a large cardboard box, ready for me to pull apart.
They've already had to strip half the car
Now wedgeless for the weekend, and the sun is going to shine
It's inspired me to do any further work back at home instead of being a lazy bugger !
I would think the car would have to be pretty high up on the axle stands though, as access is so appalling.
I believe the series 2 cars had more space in the chassis.
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