water pump cologne v6
Discussion
Hi guys,
You might have seen my previous post re the leaking water pump.
I got a new one, but the pulley section doesn't quite line up with the alt pulley. Its 5mm short.
Question is, if i put in spacers would they take the strain, i dont think they would at that length.
Or, has anyone/is it possible to open up my old pump and replace the leaking seal. If so - how?
Cheers
Marcus
You might have seen my previous post re the leaking water pump.
I got a new one, but the pulley section doesn't quite line up with the alt pulley. Its 5mm short.
Question is, if i put in spacers would they take the strain, i dont think they would at that length.
Or, has anyone/is it possible to open up my old pump and replace the leaking seal. If so - how?
Cheers
Marcus
Hi Mark, no pulley supplied. Using the old one which has a double belt. The pulley fouls the pump housing and doesnt line up with the alt without using 5mm spacers which i dont think will hold the strain.
I was thinking i could strip the old one and replace the seal or get it refurbed.
Cheers
Marcus
I was thinking i could strip the old one and replace the seal or get it refurbed.
Cheers
Marcus
Yup. They look identical. I'll try to get a pic of the replacement tonight or tomorrow.
To be fair tho it was an ebay purchase and the seller did say they pulley section might differ so no arguement there.
But Burton dont or tickford dont have them in stock so i got this one hoping to get back on the road so i can get the wheel bearings done and enjoy some hooning.
Have emailed capri club today, hopefully they can sort me out, but if not i'll try to strip the original if possible.
Marcus
To be fair tho it was an ebay purchase and the seller did say they pulley section might differ so no arguement there.
But Burton dont or tickford dont have them in stock so i got this one hoping to get back on the road so i can get the wheel bearings done and enjoy some hooning.
Have emailed capri club today, hopefully they can sort me out, but if not i'll try to strip the original if possible.
Marcus
Thats a bummer..Not sure if they are serviceable...I guess most things are but its finding someone to do it..What bracket do you have on the alternator..
Is there a big difference in the pulley's..I have some spares but i think it might be a power steering pump pulley..Not sure if they are the same...
There might be an option of variants of pulley's..Let me have a search..........
Just wondered ...Did you put the pulley on the right way round?...I think i remember them with a indentation towards the engine side and a domed surface rad side..
Is there a big difference in the pulley's..I have some spares but i think it might be a power steering pump pulley..Not sure if they are the same...
There might be an option of variants of pulley's..Let me have a search..........
Just wondered ...Did you put the pulley on the right way round?...I think i remember them with a indentation towards the engine side and a domed surface rad side..
Edited by mrzigazaga on Monday 2nd February 18:16
I've been stuck just like that - what I discovered was -
There are TWO lengths of shaft on the pumps, they are otherwise identical.
The very early 2.8 and 2.3 had a shorter nose water pump, and a shallower pump pulley to match it.
This was only for about the first two years of manufacture I think....I thought that pump had been discontinued ....
So unfortunately you need the slightly later one...
Bummer.....
Info -
There are at least 3 different water pumps and extra one for Efi engine. May be others !
1. Very early short nose plain 4 bolt (which I reckon is what you have got from ebay)
2. Plain 4 bolt. Nose is a bit longer than 1. (most common type on 2.3, quite a few 2.8 as well)
3. Viscous fan (4 bolts with large thread for viscous drive)
4. 2.8 Efi which has one different bolt
1,2,3 all have same gasket, so all will fit to 2.3 and 2.8 carb and 'K' Jet, but each type has its own pump pulley, which DOESN'T interchange between types!! You probably want a no 2.
Hope this helps, with the info at least.
Just remembered .. I think the early short nose pump had a part number like GWP980 and the later one (the one you probably want) is GWP2101 or GCP2101 or similar, just in case there's any number around on the packaging...
There are TWO lengths of shaft on the pumps, they are otherwise identical.
The very early 2.8 and 2.3 had a shorter nose water pump, and a shallower pump pulley to match it.
This was only for about the first two years of manufacture I think....I thought that pump had been discontinued ....
So unfortunately you need the slightly later one...
Bummer.....
Info -
There are at least 3 different water pumps and extra one for Efi engine. May be others !
1. Very early short nose plain 4 bolt (which I reckon is what you have got from ebay)
2. Plain 4 bolt. Nose is a bit longer than 1. (most common type on 2.3, quite a few 2.8 as well)
3. Viscous fan (4 bolts with large thread for viscous drive)
4. 2.8 Efi which has one different bolt
1,2,3 all have same gasket, so all will fit to 2.3 and 2.8 carb and 'K' Jet, but each type has its own pump pulley, which DOESN'T interchange between types!! You probably want a no 2.
Hope this helps, with the info at least.
Just remembered .. I think the early short nose pump had a part number like GWP980 and the later one (the one you probably want) is GWP2101 or GCP2101 or similar, just in case there's any number around on the packaging...
Edited by RCK974X on Tuesday 3rd February 03:27
Thanks for the heads up Andy...So Marcus what securing plate does your old one have on it?...That should be a good indication of which one you need..I know its a right PITA working on cars outside..I have to do it also...At least you have a drive...Mine is on the street...On a hill....Ziga...
Hi, can I join this discussion on 2.8i water pumps please. I've been confronted with a similar problem in that the timing case I fitted has not got the square by-pass port by the thermostate housing. Instead, a pipe connection at the bottom. I think this is for a latter pump 1984 onwards? Trying to obtain a pump has proved difficult, Burt*n Power list;I hope the correct item, out of stock, delivery in a few days. My next concern will be the pulley and viscous fan fitment. There are I believe not only shaft differences but also pulley bolt spacing? Maybe my decision not to fit the original timing cover (Sheared bolts) might have been wrong? Lets hope my pulley/viscous fan fits. Any thoughts on the above would be most welcome, thankyou. John C
HI Guys..
Not sure if I can add to the suggestions on how to solve your water pump issues other than.. if you need to get the original ones refurbed then I have used a company www.ep-services.co.uk/ which reconditioned mine for my cossie project a while ago - seemed a top job and would be happy to use again.
Not sure if I can add to the suggestions on how to solve your water pump issues other than.. if you need to get the original ones refurbed then I have used a company www.ep-services.co.uk/ which reconditioned mine for my cossie project a while ago - seemed a top job and would be happy to use again.
Hi John...Im not 100% on the differences but it sounds like you need the one Marcus has bought by mistake..I might be wrong but i think the smaller pulley neck pump fitment is for the viscous fan type..However i have it on good advice that the shorter one can be used with a block spacer with the bolt pattern drilled into it and longer bolts thread locked on for Non-viscous fan fitment...Ziga
John042 said:
Hi, can I join this discussion on 2.8i water pumps please. I've been confronted with a similar problem in that the timing case I fitted has not got the square by-pass port by the thermostate housing. Instead, a pipe connection at the bottom. I think this is for a latter pump 1984 onwards? Trying to obtain a pump has proved difficult, Burt*n Power list;I hope the correct item, out of stock, delivery in a few days. My next concern will be the pulley and viscous fan fitment. There are I believe not only shaft differences but also pulley bolt spacing? Maybe my decision not to fit the original timing cover (Sheared bolts) might have been wrong? Lets hope my pulley/viscous fan fits. Any thoughts on the above would be most welcome, thankyou. John C
John,I've seen that gasket picture somewhere. I believe it was from a Sierra XR4, may be other models too. I have this feeling that the pipe going down and no square hole as you describe might be same as a 2.9 cover ?? I would not be surprised to discover that a 2.9 timing cover fits to a 2.8 as well.
What I am sure about (so far !!) is that all the timing covers are interchangeable between 2.8 and 2.3 engines, as the block itself never changed. In fact I own a 2.8 Efi engine with a 2.3 timing cover on it, and it all bolts up correctly. So if you find any Cologne lump in a scrappers the timing cover will probably fit on your engine.
Pumps - all as far as I have found out !!!
As I said above those 4 are the ones I do know about, and not surprised to find out there are more versions.
Not sure if the 4 bolt spacing is wider on the viscous version, but could well be.
The non-viscous ones have the same spacing, just different depth of pulley, but again as far as I know, there are at least two different pulley diameters (at the fan belt), making 4 options, some are double (Capri ?), and then there is at least one viscous version, which has a bigger hole in centre.
All these variations just for the water pump and pulley !!
Thanks Chaps for the input. My pile of inherited parts never ceases to amaze me 
The fact that I've found bits of an EFI fuel system might support the timing case I've fitted is from a 2.9? So when the pump turns up who knows! In fact closer examination of one of the old pumps with a broken impeller revealed the centre boss had been filed down.
although the single pulley had ample room to fit. Time will tell whether I'll need a different pulley and fan assembly. Don't you just love TVR's?
I wonder what other surprises are in store with the rest of the car? I know one thing, the steering column were it goes through the bulkhead appears to have no bearing housing, just sits there flapping around.
Happy days. Cheers John C.
The fact that I've found bits of an EFI fuel system might support the timing case I've fitted is from a 2.9? So when the pump turns up who knows! In fact closer examination of one of the old pumps with a broken impeller revealed the centre boss had been filed down. although the single pulley had ample room to fit. Time will tell whether I'll need a different pulley and fan assembly. Don't you just love TVR's? I wonder what other surprises are in store with the rest of the car? I know one thing, the steering column were it goes through the bulkhead appears to have no bearing housing, just sits there flapping around. Happy days. Cheers John C. John042 said:
I know one thing, the steering column were it goes through the bulkhead appears to have no bearing housing, just sits there flapping around.
Hi John...There should be a bulkhead steering bush...Here is some info on it...Zigahttp://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...
Hi guys,
Been at work since 5:30 this morning so not had a chance to log in.
Capri Parts are hopefully going to get back to me tomorrow, if not it'll be spacers as Mark suggests until i can source the correct pump (although i might be able to change the pulley system).
I had no idea about the various similar but not quite pumps ford used, i'd say it was more typical of my memory of ford from that time (i seem to recall Hotpoint using the capri wheel bearings on washing machines!) rather than TVR.
I think the missing square part on the stat is the essex engine isnt it?
Marcus
Been at work since 5:30 this morning so not had a chance to log in.
Capri Parts are hopefully going to get back to me tomorrow, if not it'll be spacers as Mark suggests until i can source the correct pump (although i might be able to change the pulley system).
I had no idea about the various similar but not quite pumps ford used, i'd say it was more typical of my memory of ford from that time (i seem to recall Hotpoint using the capri wheel bearings on washing machines!) rather than TVR.
I think the missing square part on the stat is the essex engine isnt it?
Marcus
mrzigazaga said:
Hi John...There should be a bulkhead steering bush...Here is some info on it...Ziga
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...
Yeah, there's a few threads in here about that - TVR originally used a small plastic/rubber bush - some with a metal plate some not (as far as I know), and it wears out and makes steering heavier than it should be, as well as letting steering column flap about. I think the original is a Triumph part, not sure. There is a standard bearing replacement (not TVR OE) with mounting plate(s) which fits neatly and solves the problem, does need a bit of filing the bulkhead. Definitely worth it, made steering feel and lightness noticeably better on mine.http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...
(Essex wp is very different as I recall ?)
Well, capriparts came up with the correct pump, fitted it today.
Then came the first miles since November. 5 completed without issue.yipee
Now i only have to sort out the strange noise from the rear which i hope is a wheel bearing and work out why one exhaust makes a nice constant murmur and the other makes an odd popping noise.
5 miles though! Well pleased
Marcus
marcus1875 said:
Well, capriparts came up with the correct pump, fitted it today.
Then came the first miles since November. 5 completed without issue.yipee
Now i only have to sort out the strange noise from the rear which i hope is a wheel bearing and work out why one exhaust makes a nice constant murmur and the other makes an odd popping noise.
5 miles though! Well pleased
Marcus
Good job mate...If i recall correctly my exhaust had different notation between the two..I think it was the N\S that always sounded smooth and the O/S had the occasional pop..What noise are you getting from the rear..A wheel bearing will rumble or groan and you will feel the excessive play in the hub..If its coming from the N/S then FFS check the hub nut...If its a clonking noise when setting off and when you come to a stop, Bit like a knock when you put an automatic car into drive.."Clonk"..That will probably be UJ's..When was the last time you had the UJ's checked and greased..Including the prop.....ZigaThen came the first miles since November. 5 completed without issue.yipee
Now i only have to sort out the strange noise from the rear which i hope is a wheel bearing and work out why one exhaust makes a nice constant murmur and the other makes an odd popping noise.
5 miles though! Well pleased
Marcus
Hi Mark,
The noise is a metal on metal rubbing, and starts after around a mile. Its been like that since last summer. I had thought it was the diff or brakes, i've checked the brakes and put in new pads, all UJs are fine as are all seals. It doesnt sound like the rumble I'd expect from a wheel bearing, but i've got two to put in anyway, then i can score that of the list.
The noise from the exhaust is indeed a constant murmur from N/S and a pop from O/S. It may have been like that before, honestly cant say. If it was i never noticed. I'll run it and see how it goes.
Marcus
The noise is a metal on metal rubbing, and starts after around a mile. Its been like that since last summer. I had thought it was the diff or brakes, i've checked the brakes and put in new pads, all UJs are fine as are all seals. It doesnt sound like the rumble I'd expect from a wheel bearing, but i've got two to put in anyway, then i can score that of the list.
The noise from the exhaust is indeed a constant murmur from N/S and a pop from O/S. It may have been like that before, honestly cant say. If it was i never noticed. I'll run it and see how it goes.
Marcus
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